| 65983638 | 65983190 | 4 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 100 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.85 | unclear | nihilist_troll | 4 | 2 | yes | ad hominem, hasty generalization | 2 | 65983190,65983160 | Comment shows nihilist troll posture with mixed unclear rubric score (4/8). Detected pattern: ad hominem, hasty generalization. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 100/100 (bad faith; conf 0.85). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | Change so that the ice caps do not melt for a third time in the last 20 years? ok, now you're just lying. You are well aware of the concept of "point of no return" (or tipping point, as they should be called), because you quoted them above. You're now conflating those with claims that the ice caps would be melted within the last 20 years. The climate doomsayers have been more than wrong every time. Probably*. But also, that's not as clear anyway. Tipping points are constantly evolving. Critically- they could already be passed. It's not like Earth throws up a flag and says, "yup- in 85 years, you are fucking done, morons." * as long as we define "climate doomsayer" to be the specific group of people you have a problem with. Not a little off. Completely, not even in the ballpark WRONG. This claim cannot be grounded in fact. Why push the third world deeper into poverty because of what people that have never been close to right predict? lol- you don't give a fuck about the third world, and you know it. What an intellectually dishonest piece of shit you are. |
| 65984406 | 65983130 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 100 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.85 | bad_faith | identity_protective_denier | 3 | 1 | yes | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with bad faith performative rubric score (3/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 100/100 (bad faith; conf 0.85). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | See the American West this last year. See the American West dry out. See the American West's rivers dry up. See the American West's watershed shrivel. Do you care to stop making stupid "observations" or are you a generator of these? |
| 65984696 | 65984022 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 100 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.85 | bad_faith | policy_realist | 3 | 1 | yes | hasty generalization | 2 | 65984022,65983922 | Comment shows policy realist posture with bad faith performative rubric score (3/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 100/100 (bad faith; conf 0.85). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | 1.5 C was the emergency do not pass line. Now it is 6C higher? Seems like a HUGE MISS. As I stated. What makes this any closer to reality? The carbon density of the power in China is coming down at a similar rate to that in the US Yes. But the total amount of carbon China is releasing is going up. A lot. the metric they used was only so that they could find some way to state that China is doing something. Stop subsidies on fossil fuels. Apply a tax to address the externality on carbon emissions or fossil fuels. So, yes. Make energy more expensive. Which makes everything that uses energy more expensive. Which is everything. Which hurts economies. No problem though. The rich can pay 50% more or even 200% more for energy. Only the poors get maimed. Control. That is what it is about. This is why the Paris accords did nothing to actually lower total emissions from China or India. |
| 65984858 | 65984790 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 100 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.85 | bad_faith | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | yes | Straw Man | 3 | 65984790,65984722,65983484 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: Straw Man. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 100/100 (bad faith; conf 0.85). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: myth-bundle rhetoric, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | China is also ramping up coal-fired production. But here's the important thing - you're making the wrong argument. Stop with the climate change. It doesn't work. Too many people don't buy it. The messengers are liars, and their credibility is shot. Instead, make an argument everyone already agrees with and gets the same outcome. Everyone likes clean air and clean water. Everyone likes cheap electricity. Go back to the arguments that work, drop the alarmist arguments that people hate. Just accept that balances have to be struck, and that not getting the exact outcome you want doesn't mean you didn't get one everyone else can live with. Oh, and that's an editorial "you". No personal criticism intended. |
| 65984920 | 65984264 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 100 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.85 | unclear | policy_realist | 5 | 2 | yes | appeal to fear, hasty generalization | 1 | 65984264 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear, hasty generalization. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 100/100 (bad faith; conf 0.85). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | If Musk is your prophet, then you'll love his dictatorship space islands. The dark sides of history are more likely to repeat when the island is so much more constrained and resources spent on non-conforming people become so great of a burden. The only way failed systems functioned for any length of time was by purging people who didn't align with the system... which by being rigid, has a much larger portion of non-conformists. Refuse to conform by force? Expulsion works for a religious group (like convents, and similar communist success stories) or for fascist groups who just concentrate them for deportation and when that is too slow and/or costly find ways to eliminate people. It is JUVENILE to seriously think moving off world is going to solve problems. Since musk has a teenage maturity...still... he is by definition, a partial moron. He can reason at a higher level; we assume...because he got a degree. Could be, he is a full moron; since a teenager in their 40s certainly would figure out how to put on enough of an act given power and money; teen-level math reasoning plus cheating... You'd understand if you knew somebody with an 8-year old's IQ but was over 40. It's not modern science because while their IQ sticks, they still grow with age so characterizing them as 8 years old or 14 years old is unrealistic and far too limited a way to characterize them-- at least to people without psychology education. A permanent 8 year old, stops acting like a child; they always slowly learn - they simply can't think at a higher level. So an actual old-school moron could be quite heavily masked at 40 and nearly invisible as a teenager. Tons of below average adults are morons who make up the majority of below average people. They can live just fine other than being manipulated by smarter people to destroy societies. They are the Deltas of our brave new world... ;although, that book from that era, was also stuck thinking that people didn't grow. Furthermore, without major mental blocks people's IQ is not capped and IQ is more complex. Moron Musk could develop analytical reasoning had a higher level while the rest could be retarded at moron level. Add a PR company (which he's had for decades) selling his image... Every teen begins at moron level and then grow; those who can't, they are morons - but it doesn't mean they can't fake progress. Like a sociopath who has no feelings, they learn to fake some normality to succeed socially. A sociopath with a PR firm is probably a good description for many politicians. Just because you are smart enough to not be fooled by Trumpaganda doesn't mean you are not being fooled by more subtle examples... the fact somebody needs a PR company to hype/protect them should flag some attention should be paid. |
| 65985530 | | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 100 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.85 | bad_faith | identity_protective_denier | 6 | 0 | yes | - | 1 | 65985530 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 100/100 (bad faith; conf 0.85). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: myth-bundle rhetoric. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | Before that, they were saying the earth was going to freeze over. I think there are real environmental issues, but I also think environmentalists do themselves a great disservice when they constantly "cry wolf." |
| 65985636 | 65984700 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 100 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.85 | bad_faith | confused_reachable | 3 | 1 | yes | Straw Man | 2 | 65984700,65983794 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with bad faith performative rubric score (3/8). Detected pattern: Straw Man. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 100/100 (bad faith; conf 0.85). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | You're trying to rescue a boneheaded assertion, and it's only going to make you look more stupid. You really should stop. The given timespan was roughly 4.6 billion years. The quote from the OP was "The usual state for the Earth". What does 4.6 billion and, "the Earth" have in common? What does the primordial cloud of cold dust and "the Earth". have in common? Feel free to shave the first billion years off of the given numbers. It doesn't change the fact that ice-free hot ass Earth is its norm, and that ice ages are the exception to that norm. I think you're conflating these multi-million year climate shifts with climate denial (probably because parent did that), and rather than using your head, you're going to try to defend a ridiculously stupid assertion to defend against something that was never right. Seriously, cut it out, and do better. |
| 65985640 | 65984682 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 100 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.85 | unclear | confused_reachable | 4 | 2 | yes | ad nauseam, hasty generalization | 3 | 65984682,65983754,65983308 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (4/8). Detected pattern: ad nauseam, hasty generalization. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 100/100 (bad faith; conf 0.85). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | The tipping points are theoretical assumptions. You're better than this stupid statement. The tipping points are cold, hard facts- like asserting that if you rotate a beam from 0 degrees to 90 degrees, someone standing on the edge of it will fall. The hypothetical aspect comes in the dating, which was clearly acknowledged. Do better. |
| 65985702 | | | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 100 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.85 | bad_faith | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | yes | - | 1 | 65985702 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 100/100 (bad faith; conf 0.85). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: myth-bundle rhetoric. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | More FUD from the Chicken Littles. Their screaming gets louder and louder as their theory falls to turds. I'm tired of hearing lies about the end of the Earth where the timeframe keeps getting moved back as their predictions fail. These climate alarmists are no better than all the other cult leaders and false prophets that preceded them. |
| 65986200 | 65986118 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 95 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.8 | unclear | smug_fool | 5 | 1 | yes | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65986118,65985636 | Comment shows smug fool posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 95/100 (bad faith; conf 0.8). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: room-defense. | Christ, do they not teach you kids formal debate anymore? No, you didn't demonstrate a fallacy- you gave a fallacy- and I demonstrated it. Idiot OP and I were on-point, referring to the Earth. You then said, "well we can extend your metric arbitrarily back in time!" (Why? We were talking about the Earth.) That's not pointing out a fallacy- that's having a fucking stroke. The fact is, there's no timeline except for the start of the Quaternary until now, and that amount of time cut out from the previous hot period where it's 50/50 like you're implying with your context-less copy-pasta from wiki. The fact is, you did that copy-pasta, and were either too lazy to look 1.5 inches below it to see that you were misrepresenting the data, or were too fucking lazy to care. Do better, and quit fucking defending what you did. |
| 65983622 | 65983572 | 4 | Informative | High Risk | High Risk | | | 93 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.78 | unclear | confused_reachable | 4 | 1 | yes | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983572,65983296,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (4/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 93/100 (bad faith; conf 0.78). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | Science communication is an imperfect science. They mean well. While the science is nowhere near good enough to give "X happens at year Y", make no fucking mistake, we're in free-fall, and they can see the ground coming at us below. Denying that is so fucking stupid there almost aren't words for it. Here are actual scientific facts about known and suspected tipping points. [wikipedia.org] There is real scientific discussion to be had about this if you actually give a shit. Searching for political or scientific communicator talking points as a way to disrepute any particular claim is fallacious, and stupid. Don't be stupid. |
| 65984840 | 65984338 | 3 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 93 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.78 | unclear | confused_reachable | 4 | 1 | yes | ad nauseam | 1 | 65984338 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (4/8). Detected pattern: ad nauseam. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 93/100 (bad faith; conf 0.78). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | No, it proves AMERICANS are so corrupt as a group they are beyond redemption and will continue spiral downward taking everybody down with them as they drown. Distance yourself or we'll panic and pull you under near the end. You're helping fuel the stupid, so you need to cut us off like stupid is contagious. The human species has a chance if not allowed to become too decadent, gaming all it's animal drives until it's brain is overcome with desires and like every other animal ruins it's environment leading to it's own population collapse - but unlike other animals, it has a brain it can ask to facilitate unlimited solutions to it's desires. It really is like the plot to "The Forbidden Planet" was actually a fable, a satire on the human condition. Destroyed by our id. See the movie that influenced Star Trek...and so many others but realize the wisdom beyond the sci-fi (which can like fables, use placeholders for humans to get you to ignore critiques for long enough to digest the message since your animal system 1 brain getting triggered will RETARD your higher brain function. to go deeper to the nature of corruption. I'm not far off saying retarded... funny how that medical term was banned. i suppose before they bring back slavery that word will get banned... 1984) |
| 65985934 | 65984982 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 93 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.78 | unclear | confused_reachable | 4 | 1 | yes | hasty generalization | 2 | 65984982,65984570 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (4/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 93/100 (bad faith; conf 0.78). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | You don't need the capacity to charge half of all EV's at once. Personally, I drive around 300 km a week so if I had an EV, I'd be charging closer to once a week. I also know people with EV's and rooftop solar who seldom charge from the grid. Sadly most of the rest of your comment is close to true. |
| 65983412 | 65983308 | | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 93 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.78 | unclear | policy_realist | 5 | 1 | yes | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983308 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 93/100 (bad faith; conf 0.78). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | It's less about some altruistic "save the planet" cause, and more about funneling ever increasing amounts of tax payer monies to "green" causes. They will continuing pushing the extreme bullshit until it stops working...no, longer; until they get pushback and start losing funding over it. So...never. People are stupid and panicky ( as this place proves ). Fear mongering will always work on your average "nerd" around here. |
| 65984658 | | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 83 | bad_faith | bad_faith_performative | 0.68 | unclear | confused_reachable | 4 | 0 | yes | - | 1 | 65984658 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (4/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 83/100 (bad faith; conf 0.68). Subtype: bad faith performative. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | stupid alarmism, since it doesn't do anyone any good. You scare a small portion of the population, while the rest calls BS on yet another ridiculous doomsayer. I'm not listening to people who have said this would happen time and time again, and have always been wrong. |
| 65983392 | | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 68 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_veiled_threat | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983392 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 68/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.57). Subtype: likely bad faith veiled threat. Primary signals: nihilistic resignation/performance, threat language. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | People think they can change things. Quaint. The world proceeds along regardless what you think, and all the activism and complaining just serves to get you killed if you become sufficiently annoying. |
| 65983682 | 65983220 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 65 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.6 | unclear | empirical_skeptic | 5 | 0 | yes | - | 1 | 65983220 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 65/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.6). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: room-defense. | Is it warming? Probably (hard to tell with all the 'smoothing' and 'adjusting' of data going on, but I'd agree it probably is.) No, it's not hard to tell at all. Is it driven by humans? Utterly not, though almost certainly we're aggravating it. The current trend line's deviation from the long term cyclical glacial periods of the Quaternary ice age is 100% driven by human activity. Period. Is it faster than ever, historically speaking? Utterly not. That's actually hard to say, but also not relevant. In times when it may have, we simply do not have decade-resolution temperature data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] = 90% of the last 500m years has been warmer than today. Absolutely true. Humans evolved, basically in whole, during the Quaternary. It's not clear we will even be able to survive when Earth leaves it. This has nothing to do with climate change right now. For the last 5m years we've routinely had warm spikes followed by a decline to Phanerozoic 'norm' This is the dumbest fucking thing you've said. The Phanerozoic includes the Cretaceous Thermal Maximum, as well as the Quaternary. It is not a period of time for which it makes any sense whatsoever to measure a climate "norm". Looking forward to the responses. There are a lot of people on slashdot who seem to have a lot of psychoses invested in global warming being irrefutable. That may, or may not be true, but your post was so fucking stupid I fail to see how it's remotely relevant, or how you could possibly help correct that. |
| 65984192 | 65983200 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 65 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.6 | unclear | empirical_skeptic | 5 | 0 | yes | - | 1 | 65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 65/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.6). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: room-defense. | Even accepting your premise, the argument you are making is still stupid. https://xkcd.com/1732/ [xkcd.com] The steady state isn't a problem so much as the rate of change. |
| 65984344 | 65983484 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 63 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.62 | good_faith | nihilist_troll | 7 | 0 | yes | - | 1 | 65983484 | Comment shows nihilist troll posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 63/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.62). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | It's going to be expensive, due to the rate of changes. Places that can't cope with a large amount of rainfall will flood, and be very expensive to fix. Places that were moderate will get very hot or cold, and it will be expensive to retrofit heating/cooling systems and insulation. Places that built roads out of cheaper materials for moderate climates will find them cracking up and disintegrating. |
| 65985000 | 65984344 | 2 | | High Risk | High Risk | | | 63 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.62 | good_faith | nihilist_troll | 7 | 0 | yes | - | 2 | 65984344,65983484 | Comment shows nihilist troll posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: room-defense mode; freeze claim/question and avoid tone-chasing. | | Manual score 63/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.62). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | It's going to be expensive, due to the rate of changes. Places that can't cope with a large amount of rainfall will flood, and be very expensive to fix. Places that were moderate will get very hot or cold, and it will be expensive to retrofit heating/cooling systems and insulation. Places that built roads out of cheaper materials for moderate climates will find them cracking up and disintegrating. To your last point, there have been a few cases her in teh states where the nature of the tar, which is adjusted for the local climate, has been messed up. You do not want Maine tar mix used in Phoenix Arizona! But to clarify, This is gonna be really disruptive. I'm definitely not trying to belittle it. I can even see the human race terminating itself. But the earth itself will get through it. |
| 65985730 | 65984192 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 63 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.62 | unclear | empirical_skeptic | 5 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984192,65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 63/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.62). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | Wrong way to look at why they were wrong. Steady state is absolutely a problem, in the ridiculous timescales he chose. Your xkcd is a much more reasonable timescale to look at, though realistically, I'd say we should go back about 2 million years to really demonstrate why temperatures 90mya aren't relevant to us today. Mankind, biologically would not be able to survive a climate 90mya. We're not built for it. It would require technology to survive, and it's not clear we'd still be able to produce it. But none of that matters- that's not what current climate change is about. We're not talking about knocking us back to the last Thermal Maximum. Humans weren't around 90mya. Fucking mammals larger than a squirrel weren't around 90mya. Within the next 5-30mya, the Earth is going to transition to an ice-free state again. Only the poles will be habitable to us. That has nothing to do with climate change, which won't render our world uninhabitable to us, but will almost certainly cause societal collapse, or at least severe contraction, with migrations and bread basket changes. |
| 65983348 | 65983164 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 53 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.63 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983164,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 53/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.63). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | This is of course bullshit designed to keep us not making changes so you don't have to be inconvenienced |
| 65983432 | 65983130 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 53 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.63 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 53/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.63). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | >> like they were supposed to in 2012 No cite of course. >> They have been CATASTROPHICALLY wrong every single time. Utter bullshit. |
| 65984812 | 65983160 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 53 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.63 | unclear | policy_realist | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 53/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.63). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | The only way? Nah. Each and every individual can simply stop using fossil fuels, especially individuals in somewhat richer countries. Stop flying, get an EV, replace you heating. Stop eating meat. It's not that hard (but it might hurt). Those corporations you mention, indirectly all demand for their stuff can be traced back to such individuals. Also, they operate within the boundaries set by governments. If they still harm the climate, the government has not done its job. And in a democracy you know who's to blame... Let's definitely keep "hitting primary contributors" but let's not make the ridiculous mistake of thinking that we need them to fix this. |
| 65986104 | 65985306 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 53 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_veiled_threat | 0.63 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65985306 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 53/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.63). Subtype: likely bad faith veiled threat. Primary signals: threat language, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | Never take a meds holiday. |
| 65984138 | 65983470 | 1 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 53 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.63 | unclear | confused_reachable | 4 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983470,65983464 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (4/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 53/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.63). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: evasive framing. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | What about the fact that you are funding a hostile oppressive state by doing this? And, in addition, you are putting wired surveillance device controlled by this state on the road of your country? On the other hand... many people can do a lot of weird things for some financial benefits. Why am I surprised? |
| 65983988 | | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 53 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.63 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983988 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 53/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.63). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: nihilistic resignation/performance, explicit intergenerational externalization. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | i welcome the much warmer climate on my area, shorts in winter yea! and 40c heat is fine with me in summer, just more ocean... i couldnt care less what happens after i am gone too... |
| 65984352 | 65984108 | | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 53 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.63 | unclear | nihilist_troll | 5 | 3 | no | ad hominem, appeal to fear, hasty generalization | 3 | 65984108,65983176,65983130 | Comment shows nihilist troll posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: ad hominem, appeal to fear, hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 53/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.63). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: 3 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | LOL pedo protector Pam Bondi is crashing out Why do you republicans put up with such nonsense. You must realize how sad it makes you all look LMFAO |
| 65985294 | | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 53 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_conspiracy_performance | 0.63 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65985294 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 53/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.63). Subtype: likely bad faith conspiracy performance. Primary signals: conspiracy framing cue. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | The world is being dazzled by the climate change bs while they continually operate ionosphere heaters and other high RF arrays that are mirrored after HAARP. |
| 65983802 | 65983780 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 48 | likely_bad_faith | likely_bad_faith_patterned | 0.58 | unclear | nihilist_troll | 4 | 1 | no | Straw Man | 3 | 65983780,65983688,65983250 | Comment shows nihilist troll posture with mixed unclear rubric score (4/8). Detected pattern: Straw Man. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 48/100 (likely bad faith; conf 0.58). Subtype: likely bad faith patterned. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: room-defense. | You can guess anything you want as long as you're making shit up, lol Highs in the 70s at my parents' place in Arkansas |
| 65984108 | 65983176 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 43 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.57 | unclear | identity_protective_denier | 6 | 2 | no | ad hominem, hasty generalization | 3 | 65983176,65983164,65983130 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: ad hominem, hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 43/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | That is one of the benefits of a multi planet culture. no, it's not. because ... If Mars, next week were up and running ... this is delirious level of wishful thinking. we do need to colonize other planets if we want the species to survive long term, but that's simply not a solution to our current problems, so odds are we won't make it in time. if we can't live on our own cozy and privileged planet because of a bit too much of co2 in the atmosphre, what makes you think we will be able to live on another planet with an atmosphere that's 95% co2, where the water in your body would boil at body temperature, except you'll also have temperature swings reaching -120C, being bombarded by cosmic rays and radiation levels 50 times those on earth? btw that just begins to describe how hostile mars really is. we could move 20% of the population there do you volunteer? to live perpetually in a tin can or an underground bunker praying that life support doesn't fail? do you really imagine 1.6 billion people living there with you? well, good luck, the trip alone is over half a year, provided you wait around 2 years for the next launch window. but once there it will be indeed be a "hell" of a party ... |
| 65985192 | 65985080 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 43 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.57 | unclear | identity_protective_denier | 6 | 2 | no | False Dichotomy, Straw Man | 2 | 65985080,65985022 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy, Straw Man. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 43/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So how does one define a family? You originally said "traditional family unit" not family. You also haven't even told me which tradition, i.e. which culture and time period you mean. Biology answers this unequivocally. It takes a father and a mother to produce a child. The two of them are inherently responsible for raising that child. Biology, therefore they are both responsible... what. Hate to break it bucko but biology don't say shit about responsibility. When (typically the father) abdicates his responsibility, this is not conducive to healthy child development. Yet people do. The question is what are you going to do about it? Ban man of breeding age from the military, for example, so fathers can't be deployed? Our society promotes the *fun* or *right* to have sex with whoever you want In this case that would be liberty and the pursuit of happiness. but tends to ignore the responsibility for the products of that sex. It does not. People are at least financially responsible in the eyes of the law. Liberal thinkers want to be free of responsibility, to be able to "love" who they want to, separating the personal "fulfillment" of a sexual relationship, from the responsibility that comes with it. Utter tosh. Liberals on the whole advocate for widely birth control (unlike conservatives) so that when people have those relationships, they can be responsible about it and not have kids. Conservatives aim to take the screwing around that people always do regardless and make it as likely as possible to result in kids out of families, you know by blocking sex education and birth control. |
| 65985224 | 65985080 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 43 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.57 | unclear | identity_protective_denier | 6 | 2 | no | False Dichotomy, Straw Man | 2 | 65985080,65985022 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy, Straw Man. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 43/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So how does one define a family? Biology answers this unequivocally. It takes a father and a mother to produce a child. I agree the research gives solid reasons that having two parents is beneficial, but I don't think we should enforce it to be a man and woman. One has to be careful in enforcing a society based on conforming to current culture instead of trying to set up a society that gives people reasonable freedoms. And this brings up the larger issue. Even if you think single parents households are bad for kids, what is your/their policy to fix it. For global warming, the left proposed clear policy that can help. For families, what has the right proposed that the left has rejected. It seems like they just complain with no clear policy. Pointing out problems without proposed solutions is not really showing an equivalence. |
| 65986018 | 65986006 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 43 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.57 | unclear | identity_protective_denier | 6 | 2 | no | False Dichotomy, Straw Man | 2 | 65986006,65985974 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy, Straw Man. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 43/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Likewise, the underlying concern about nurturing homes where children are cared for, is about the ability of our children and their descendants to be able to thrive. And in that vein, the left's "solutions" only lead to a disintegrating and less stable environment for children growing up, making things worse for our children. I'm sympathetic to your concern, but I still think your confusing culture with politics. Even if there is a correlation between people on the left having lifestyles you think are detrimental doesn't mean it's a political problem. What policies on the left are causing these problems? And don't compare against perfection. What alternative policies does the right have that would improve the outcome? The world is always changing and the government needs policy to adapt and improve people lives. I would support further studies to see how to improve education for these types of social issues, but I suspect good research has already been done in more progressive countries in Europe. |
| 65986062 | 65984696 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 43 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.57 | good_faith | policy_realist | 7 | 2 | no | appeal to fear, hasty generalization | 2 | 65984696,65984022 | Comment shows policy realist posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear, hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 43/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | 1.5 C was the emergency do not pass line. Now it is 6C higher? No. 1.5C is still as dangerous as it was. However 8 degrees of warming is worse than 7.5 degrees of warming. I mention the latter because it refutes your claim that there's "no use doing anything". It doesn't refute the claim that we didn't want to cross 1.5. Yes. But the total amount of carbon China is releasing is going up. A lot. They're solving the problem of power generation releasing CO2 at about the same rate as the USA. So, yes. Make energy more expensive. Not if you count the cost of the externalities. |
| 65985306 | | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 43 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65985306 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 43/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: threat language. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Insane murder monkeys deserve to die like the plague they are. Hopefully in a couple million years a better, more capable apex creature will arise. One that isnâ(TM)t a chemical bag of irrationality hate and rage that only exists to rape and murder everything it can |
| 65984700 | 65983794 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 38 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.62 | unclear | smug_fool | 5 | 1 | no | Straw Man | 3 | 65983794,65983776,65983200 | Comment shows smug fool posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: Straw Man. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 38/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | >> Nothing in your quote stated the equivalence of the time periods past "last for millions of years". Obviously I didn't claim there was an 'equivalence' over the entire span of the Earth's history. With that argument you could go back in time even farther to claim that the the usual state of the Earth is a primordial cloud of cold dust. |
| 65983800 | 65983532 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 35 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.65 | unclear | confused_reachable | 4 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983532,65983252,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (4/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 35/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.65). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | We should terraform mars anyway. I'll give you we should. Just not now. Even people in favour of Mars colonisation recognise it will take thousand of years, using thousand of factories, presumably needing thousand of workers, using technology we don't have and don't even know if it will one day exist. This is discussed in "The Economic Viability of Mars Colonization" by Robert Zubrin, president of the Mars Society https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-... [doi.org] We're as close to terraforming Mars by using our technology than the Neanderthals to inventing planes by flapping their arms. Or as close as Leucippus to observing the atoms he correctly postulated must exist. It's a great goal to keep in mind, but it's vain to try. Write a great book about it, maybe schoolchildren will have to write an essay about it in a millenia, like they today read old legends and discuss how vain was the quest of the Holy Grail. If you have quadrillions on your bank account today, you can make a ridiculously failed attempt at terraforming Mars. Or with a fraction you can succeed in bringing back Earth on the sane path. |
| 65983634 | 65983256 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 33 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.63 | unclear | smug_fool | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983256,65983130 | Comment shows smug fool posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 33/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.63). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Obviously not. Mass loss of the Antarctic Ice sheet may be catastrophic if the west Antarctic Ice sheet collapses, but nobody with a scientific background has predicted an ice free Antarctica on time frames shorter than a millennia or two. |
| 65984070 | 65983464 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 33 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.63 | unclear | identity_protective_denier | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 3 | 65983464,65983314,65983102 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 33/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.63). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So, you would rather drive a Chinese EV than a Tesla? Heck yes, this isn't even a difficult question. |
| 65984932 | 65983376 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 33 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.63 | good_faith | identity_protective_denier | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983376,65983192 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 33/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.63). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Good metaphor! with refinement that might work well; especially with car minded people who impulsively would destroy everything to keep their car culture. losing their car by crashing .... since they get irrationally defensive they will lose their cars to the eco-"fascists." |
| 65985022 | 65984524 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 33 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.63 | unclear | identity_protective_denier | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65984524,65984190 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 33/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.63). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | but the left denies the importance of the traditional family unit Thing is, global warming is a verifiable, verified fact. If you deny it, you are simply wrong at this point. The "traditional family unit", frankly I don't even know what you mean specifically about that. It's not a hard fact in the same way because there are many traditions spanning different aspects of culture and time periods. Which one are you talking about? I suspect white 1950s American christian, but it's not a verifiable fact that this culture is more important than others. Even on the left there's something of a diversity of opinion. And being not American, not from the 1950s and not Christian (whiteness is somewhat nebulous and certain racist white people would not regard me as the same race), it's not really a tradition I strongly identify with in any meaningful manner. and the disastrous effects on children of the pervasiveness of single-parent families. The left of capable of dealing with nuance. If the only solution is to prevent divorce (something many more right wing conservatives aren't all that fond of) then yeah single parent families are better than forcing mothers to suffer, because kids don't do all that well. But where are all the deadbeat dads anyway? Growing up in an (at best) unhappy marriage isn't great either. Sure it's sometimes the other way round, but not that often. |
| 65985336 | 65985192 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 33 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.63 | unclear | identity_protective_denier | 6 | 1 | no | Straw Man | 2 | 65985192,65985080 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: Straw Man. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 33/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.63). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Whose tradition? Every culture has historically placed responsibility for children on the parents. Many cultures expand that responsibility to others in the community, such as extended family or those in the village, but ultimately, final responsibility belongs to the parents, in nearly every culture in the world. Biology says parents are responsible because of the principle that actions have consequences, and people who act, are responsible for the consequences of those actions. If you rob a bank, you are liable. If you drink and drive, you are liable. If you work hard and earn a good living, you get to keep (most of) the fruit of your labor. If you have sex and produce a baby, you are responsible for that baby. It's not merely a morality question, it's about actions and consequences. Most Republicans, by the way, believe in birth control too, even most Catholics. So birth control is not at issue here. Responsibility is. |
| 65986078 | 65986062 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 33 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.63 | good_faith | policy_realist | 7 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 2 | 65986062,65984696 | Comment shows policy realist posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 33/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.63). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | No. 1.5C is still as dangerous as it was. No. 1.5C was catastrophic. Remember? They're solving the problem of power generation releasing CO2 at about the same rate as the USA. Again, the total carbon output is increasing every year. You keep using numbers that mean lower to avoid the truth that they are pouring MORE CO2 into the atmosphere every year. Not if you count the cost of the externalities. No, only if you count the cost that Mary pays to fill her tank, or the cost Jeffery pays to heat his home, the cost Hank pays to light his shop. So, yes. It is made more expensive for the people using it. It matters not to the politicians or the ultra rich. Who gives a shit if the electric bill goes from $180 a month to $420. They don't. Old people on fixed incomes and single mother give a huge fuck. |
| 65986198 | 65985934 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 33 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.63 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65985934,65984982 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 33/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.63). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Maybe not all at once, but you still want extra capacity on the grid, regardless (not to mention, those pesky boxes we live in require some juice too... especially at night). I know, I know... battery backup. I don't know how much a Tesla Powerwall costs, but then you're beholden to Elon. Some people would rather just roll their own UPS system... a dozen or more deep-cycle marine-grade lead-acid batteries and a rack-mount UPS (batteries in a series-parallel arrangement), of course... you've gotta have extra solar capacity to charge/top off the batteries while it's light. Not sure how that'd work on a cloudy day, though... just halve the output of the array? How do solar panels stand-up to severe weather (straight-line winds, golf ball-sized hail or bigger, hurricane-force winds, stuff like that)? Who takes care of shoveling/de-icing the panels daily if you live in the Northern areas that see snow? I would much rather just keep a good starter battery in my car and top it up at the pump when needed (and good anti-freeze and and Heet in the tank) (that's if I drove).. |
| 65986202 | 65986200 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 33 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.63 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65986200,65986118 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 33/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.63). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Sorry, too lazy, or too intellectually dishonest. |
| 65986578 | 65986200 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 33 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.63 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65986200,65986118 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 33/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.63). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Yawn, not interested in your squawking. |
| 65983176 | 65983164 | 1 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 33 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.63 | unclear | identity_protective_denier | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983164,65983130 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 33/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.63). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | That is one of the benefits of a multi planet culture. If Mars, next week were up and running, we could move 20% of the population there, reducing the stress on this planet. Add in mining the asteroid belt, if cheap enough gets us fresh water and minerals and energy for all. |
| 65985520 | 65984696 | 1 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 33 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.63 | good_faith | confused_reachable | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65984696,65984022 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 33/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.63). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | An interesting thing about the christian framework of morality is the idea of second chances. You sin. You repent. You atone. You are redeemed. You sin again. Rinse, repeat. This is a system which balances incentives to try to maximize good behavior. It identifies sins, which it wants to minimize, but also leaves open a path to redemption, because we know sin is inevitable. The climate apocalypse, on the other hand, has an imbalance. The consequences laid out by our moral and cultural superiors are stark, and violent. "Hellish hothouse", as it were. But the "nope, it's still useful to do anything we can" feels empty, and impotent, in the face of the inevitable hell that is being promised. In christianity, the sacrifice of jesus is an infinite atonement for our sins - the climate apocalypse doesn't quite have the same analogue. I wonder if Truth_Quark actually feels some sort of atonement and redemption for their personal behaviors in the fight against AGW. Is the mere fact that they're "fighting the good fight" enough to make up for the hellish world that is inevitably going to come because we don't all believe them? All stick, no carrot, doesn't seem to work as well as judiciously applied sticks and carrots. |
| 65986112 | 65985980 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 28 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 2 | no | appeal to fear, hasty generalization | 2 | 65985980,65985924 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear, hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 28/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The US and China are getting more similar, what with China expanding its influence and America moving further from the rule of law. The fact is that currently, the US is more of threat to my freedom then China, along with much of the world, especially in the America's. As for the people, other then the fact that American's have elected Trump, again, I never said anything about the individual Americans. |
| 65984022 | 65983922 | 3 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 25 | mixed_combative | mixed_combative_low_evidence | 0.55 | unclear | smug_fool | 5 | 2 | no | False Dichotomy, Straw Man | 2 | 65983922,65983868 | Comment shows smug fool posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy, Straw Man. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 25/100 (mixed combative; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed combative low evidence. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Ok. You win. They were right. Yeah, I know. There's a lot of science that's been done on this. No use doing anything. All the coastlines world wide will be underwater soon. Nope. It's still useful to do everything we can. While we've obviously overshot 1.5C, as I point out explicitly in the post to which you're replying, and which is also prima-facie obvious, 8 degrees of warming is worse than 7.5 degrees of warming. The sea ice will all melt. Yeah, that's probably the closest high-cost, high-casualty tipping points. If by all, you mean the northern summer sea ice. The Antarctic sea ice is fed by glaciers, so won't be entirely lose until those are all lost. But there are others that we don't know if we will hit. The collapse of the boreal forests and the collapse of the Amazon forest, for instance, might be avoidable. Every single move toward higher energy costs and lower emissions has come from the west. Lower emissions are associated with lower energy costs in the USA, [blogspot.com] which is part of the west. India, China and most of Africa are pouring pollution into the planet at rates rising faster than the west could ever hope to offset even if we were willing to destroy the economies of the west. The carbon density of the power in China is coming down at a similar rate to that in the US [ourworldindata.org]. India is slower. Africa doesn't have a lot of data, and outside Egypt and South Africa is dominated by how people overcome the logistics of poor supply. But is it a waste of time giving you these links? Is there some technological reason why you can't follow them? So, tell me. What should the West do to stop this calamity? Making cheaper electricity doesn't destroy your economy. Stop subsidies on fossil fuels. Apply a tax to address the externality on carbon emissions or fossil fuels. Seriously. Given that China, Africa and India are not required to do anything Same as everyone. |
| 65983576 | 65983102 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.57 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983102 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: myth-bundle rhetoric. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You gonna move to another planet bucko? What's not really said in a lot of alarmist climate change stories is that this stuff doesn't happen all at once. It's not like we cross 2 degrees and then we're in a perpetual 300 degree oven. No. What actually happens is the areas that are already deserts, cook, and that self-perpetuating cooking starts spreading northward and southward as the doldrums widen and change density. So everywhere that's currently a tropical climate becomes impossible to live in, and places that are already deserts literately start getting hot enough to melt lead. |
| 65983588 | 65983576 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.57 | good_faith | confused_reachable | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983576,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: myth-bundle rhetoric. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Easiest planetary body in our Solar System to terraform would be the Earth. Even after a climate catastrophe, nuclear winter, and asteroid impact all at once. There's no where to run. The only choice is how expensive y'all want to make Earth's recovery. |
| 65984676 | 65984192 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.57 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984192,65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | This is not the highest rate of change in human history. That was at the end of the "Maunder Minimum". Civilization thrived. |
| 65984722 | 65984344 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.57 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984344,65983484 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Yes, it will be expensive. But it looks like it will be less expensive to just deal with than it would be to prevent. Especially since prevention is not feasible, if it is possible at all. |
| 65984754 | 65984676 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.57 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65984676,65984192,65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You mean that tiny and small rise at the end of the little ice age on the graph which is dwarfed by what's going on now? |
| 65984790 | 65984722 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65984722,65984344,65983484 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Limiting climate change is by far the cheapest option. In fact, it's a huge opportunity to make money. Look at what China is doing, ramping up production and installation of renewables, leading to both jobs in those sectors and cheap energy for other sectors. Time to modernize our industries with cheaper, cleaner power. It's a great opportunity for governments to invest. |
| 65984946 | 65984658 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65984658 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So, you don't live up north, where climate change means winters get worse, while summers get worse? Or you don't live down south (floods, and/or wildfires), and then there's the exhaustion of groundwater, and the "green miracle" of the sixties fails as there's not enough water to keep the vast fields watered. |
| 65984966 | 65984946 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984946,65984658 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | No, I do live down South, and it's nice here. |
| 65985036 | 65983576 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.57 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983576,65983102 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: myth-bundle rhetoric. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Exactly. As the equatoral regions increase in temps, the hot air rising and then moving north and south will go further north and south. The problem is that has hot air rises, it loses moisture and what comes down at the tropics of Capricorn and Cancer is warm dry air. This dries out the surface. Look at a globe that shows the desert bands around the world and then move north and south to see the areas next to be turned into desert. |
| 65985050 | 65983588 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983588,65983576,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: myth-bundle rhetoric. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Obligatory "I care about the environment because that's where I live." |
| 65985080 | 65985022 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 2 | no | False Dichotomy, Straw Man | 2 | 65985022,65984524 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy, Straw Man. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I don't deny global warming, and I believe we should be taking steps to mitigate it. Republicans are wrong on this point. So how does one define a family? Biology answers this unequivocally. It takes a father and a mother to produce a child. The two of them are inherently responsible for raising that child. When (typically the father) abdicates his responsibility, this is not conducive to healthy child development. Our society promotes the *fun* or *right* to have sex with whoever you want, but tends to ignore the responsibility for the products of that sex. Those who deny this, are simply wrong on that point. Are there exceptions? Are there women who should be free of an abusive or deadbeat man? Yes, absolutely. That is not what the argument is about. Liberal thinkers want to be free of responsibility, to be able to "love" who they want to, separating the personal "fulfillment" of a sexual relationship, from the responsibility that comes with it. That is a completely different thing from abusive relationships. You can't negate a principle by citing exceptions. The right plays the same games when it comes to global warming. They want the "fun" (or whatever goal) of doing things that pollute, without recognizing their responsibility to manage well the environment they live in. |
| 65985246 | 65985036 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65985036,65983576,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: myth-bundle rhetoric. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | But also once the north Atlantic current collapses, the Arctic and Europe will get MUCH colder, squeezing the habitable area from the north as well. |
| 65985510 | 65985036 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65985036,65983576,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: myth-bundle rhetoric. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I'm sure desserts will grow, as you point out, the tropics are good at transporting their heat away. But it's our cold regions that are the fastest warming ones because they can't dump extra heat anywhere. Remember; global warming is caused by trapping heat, not an increase of energy entering the system. |
| 65985782 | 65985724 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.57 | good_faith | identity_protective_denier | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65985724,65985336 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | What Biology says, is whose actions result in the creation of a child. What civilization says, is that people are responsible for the results of their actions. I know it can be difficult to tie two concepts together into a unified principle, but life is complicated like that. |
| 65985928 | 65985520 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65985520,65984696 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: hostile/status tone. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I am unsure of his motivations. Of course there are many on the activist side of things that find that the feeling that they get from actually doing good things and being a good person can be felt by just having the correct opinion and fighting those that do not agree. Infinitely easier to get through life just feeling like a good person instead of doing good things. |
| 65985974 | 65985778 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 2 | no | Straw Man, Paralipsis | 2 | 65985778,65985584 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: Straw Man, Paralipsis. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You asked me how society might go about ensuring stronger families, and that was my answer. I asked what is your/their policy to fix it. You were the one claiming the left and right comparision. Perhaps I confused you by adding the word "your". Are you not on the right? I guess you agree they aren't doing anything constructive. The right plays the same games when it comes to global warming. They want the "fun" (or whatever goal) of doing things that pollute, without recognizing their responsibility to manage well the environment they live in. Perhaps it's not your intent, but it does sound like a false equivalence. Comparing a moral/lifestyle choice with a clear scientific problem that has expensive but viable solutions. And the equivalence is based on a problem where the right's solutions are most likely empirically worse by most metrics. You're comparing some vauge cultural picture of the left with actual policy (or lack thereof) on the right. I don't think you're making a bad faith argument, but I do think it falls into the culture war rhetoric of the right. If you want to talk left and right then you are talking politics which means it should be grounded in policy. |
| 65986006 | 65985974 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 23 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.57 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 2 | no | False Dichotomy, Straw Man | 2 | 65985974,65985778 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy, Straw Man. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 23/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.57). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I consider myself centrist. I think Democrats and Republicans both have some good ideas, and some terrible ones. I believe that we get the best result when the two sides listen to each other and are forced to reach a compromise. If either side gets total control, it would turn our country into hell, just two different brands of hell. Isn't the underlying concern about the environment, really about our children and their descendants being able to thrive? I mean, the earth doesn't care about the temperature, it's not about the earth, it's about our children. And yes, I agree that the right's "solutions" make things worse for our children. Likewise, the underlying concern about nurturing homes where children are cared for, is about the ability of our children and their descendants to be able to thrive. And in that vein, the left's "solutions" only lead to a disintegrating and less stable environment for children growing up, making things worse for our children. |
| 65983160 | | 4 | Insightful | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.62 | unclear | policy_realist | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The only way to establish change is to hit the primary contributors (corporations) to this problem where it hurts most their bottom line. Once they see that profits are declining due to their practices (through taxation, or full out bans of some products) only then will change happen. But since Governments are in bed with these corporations, it is never in their best interest to force change on them.... so it is always framed that "everyday Joe sixpack" needs to do better, never the companies that produce thousands of times the pollutants that of any individual. |
| 65983426 | | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | ad hominem | 1 | 65983426 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: ad hominem. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | That's very interesting. And yet, the elites continue to build and buy palatial homes along the coast. |
| 65983794 | 65983776 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.62 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | Straw Man | 3 | 65983776,65983668,65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: Straw Man. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So, not usually "tropical all over, with no ice at the poles". Yes, it is. Nothing in your quote stated the equivalence of the time periods past "last for millions of years". I.e., the quote was correct. You just read what you wanted to read into it. What I find most bizarre, is that there's literally a graph directly under where you copy-pasted that showing where, and how long, the Ice Ages lasted. If you had gone down even further, it would have literally listed them for you, and then you could simply do the math showing that 4160 > 609. When you go reading something looking for a predetermined answer, you're very rarely going to be correct. Do better. |
| 65984338 | | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | ad nauseam | 1 | 65984338 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: ad nauseam. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The Trump administration and the Epstein files clearly show that we are totally corrupted as a species. A few people, shoveling money on big heaps are driving us into the abyss, and nothing can be done about it. Maybe you can't even blame them. They simply are not capable of imaginig a world where things are different as they imagine them to be. Like 2D beings, living in a 3D world... |
| 65984586 | 65984492 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65984492,65984028 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Ukraine and Russia have historical ties but two different languages... that's a huge difference. What's happening there is not a civil war, it is one country wanting to enforce its might on the other. Here we're talking a civil war (again). Same history, same language, same families with members interspersed across the territory... it'll be more like East and West Germany, or South and North Korea. And based on economic development... I have a hypothesis as to which states would be the North Korea equivalent. |
| 65984664 | 65984586 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.62 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65984586,65984492 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | While I largely agree with your comments, the fact remains, it takes two to fight. Both the left and the right have work to do, to understand and get along with each other. Both sides need to give up some things. This is always true, every good negotiation gives both sides something they want, and both sides have to give up something they want. Any negotiation where one side gets everything they want, is not a negotiation, it's war. If you can't see that, you are as deceived as anyone on the right. |
| 65984682 | 65983754 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983754,65983308 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The tipping points are theoretical assumptions. Ones that we are always told are just around the corner, but never actually arrive. |
| 65984748 | 65984492 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65984492,65984028 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Yes, I know your position well, asab, therefore vote for evangelist fundamentalism, borrow-n-spend and big mouth. |
| 65984826 | 65984748 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.62 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65984748,65984492 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Apparently you don't know my position as well as you think. I never voted for Trump, and I vote against any candidate who says they are on his side. If Liz Cheney were to run, I would get behind her. I do support tax cuts, but not by borrowing, that's irresponsible. |
| 65985394 | 65984138 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984138,65983470 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: evasive framing. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Your face is a hostile, oppressive state |
| 65985562 | 65983160 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.62 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The only way to establish change is to hit the primary contributors (corporations) to this problem where it hurts Corporations aren't the primary contributors, their customers are. Corps just supply what people want to buy. The solution is simple and well-understood: Apply carbon taxes, then let the market work. It's just not politically feasible until we convince voters to care. |
| 65985924 | 65984138 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984138,65983470 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: evasive framing. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So you understand the problem with Tesla, produced in a hostile oppressive state that wants to annex its neighbours. |
| 65984202 | 65984138 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984138,65983470 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: evasive framing. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | you are a hostile oppressive state. |
| 65985838 | 65983160 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983160 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Actually, this is wrong. When the numbers went south, they bought a government that allows them them to continue buisness as usual. |
| 65985980 | 65985924 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65985924,65984138 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: evasive framing. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | If you are trying to imply that the US and China are similar or that the US is worse, you are delusional. And this is what I meant in my first posting, your priorities are wrongly set. You are trying so hard to show to everyone that the US is bad that you are ready to drive off the cliff just to make your point. Sigh... Calm down and just think about it. |
| 65983552 | | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | Straw Man | 1 | 65983552 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: Straw Man. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | And guess what, land there is free! you can have all you want. I'm looking forward to it, us boomer like to stay warm in the winter time. |
| 65984670 | 65984338 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.62 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | ad nauseam | 1 | 65984338 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: ad nauseam. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Giving up is exactly what they want you to do. Just roll over and let them have their way. Think of the beach or a clear summer day. Hold that thought in your mind. Close your eyes. |
| 65984784 | 65983160 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 18 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.62 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 18/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.62). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | > Governments are in bed with these corporations Not everywhere. Governments are necessarily negotiating and trying not to completely screw those corporations over - that's for sure. "in bed" is something of a specific problem to a specific government in a specific country. |
| 65985706 | 65984956 | 2 | | Guarded | Guarded | | | 15 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.6 | unclear | nihilist_troll | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65984956,65984754,65983200 | Comment shows nihilist troll posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 15/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.6). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | What in the fuck are you smoking, dude? lol Temperature increased more than it has over the last 80 years? No... no it most certainly did not. What fucking universe are you in where that's true? The following is a true statement: Temperatures increase in the last year is more than the temperature increase from 80 years ago, to the end of the last glacial period. Since you bring up the Maunder Minimum, I think here, the elementary mistake you have made (I assume not maliciously cherry-picking and misrepresenting data) is not understanding that regional variances are not the same as global averages. It would be like pointing to the arctic temperature increase of 3C over the last 80 years and saying that represents a faster rate of warming than the comparatively mild global average change over the last 80 years. It's nonsensical. It is part of that average. |
| 65986118 | 65985636 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 15 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.6 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65985636,65984700 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 15/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.6). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I merely asked for some evidence, which I haven't received. I gave some conflicting examples which seem fine to me, and I demonstrated the fallacy of your argument. If you don't like it, I don't care. |
| 65986888 | 65986578 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 15 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.6 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65986578,65986200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 15/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.6). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: hostile/status tone, 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | No, I imagine you're not. You're the kind of fuck who likes to make shit up, and then cherry pick context-less data to try to back it up. Good apologetics means coloring in the lines. You don't even do that. You're actually a really shitty apologist. Global Warming is real. That doesn't mean anything that triggers your defensive mechanism needs to be disingenuously attacked. Instead of copy-pasting shit and learning nothing, next time read, and learn. |
| 65983208 | 65983160 | 5 | Insightful | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | policy_realist | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You do realize they'll never "eat" those costs, right? They'll pass them on to you the consumer and maintain their profits and bonuses. I dislike being that cynical, but the tariffs have shown us extra costs are passed on. |
| 65983252 | 65983176 | 5 | Insightful | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983176,65983164,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Mars is already a completely unlivable hellscape of a planet. Economically and technologically speaking, it's far easier to just not screw up Earth any worse than it already is than terraform Mars. |
| 65983376 | 65983192 | 5 | Insightful | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983192 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The oceans have also been 3-5m higher than they are now. I agree we shouldn't make things worse than needed, but let's not forget that the climate changes on its own up and down over time. Rate of change matters. Just because I can use the brakes in my car to reduce speed slowly doesn't mean stopping by hitting a brick wall at full speed is at all safe. Ecosystems need time to adjust to new temperatures, so they don't collapse. |
| 65983388 | 65983280 | 5 | Interesting | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 3 | 65983280,65983128,65983102 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Maybe? It's arguable that his support of this admin helped them win power and that has offset much of the good hos EVs have done at this point. Probably not true but it's also not zero, he's burned through a lot of his goodwill and the admin is setting the issue backwards by some amount. Teslas cratering sales in Europe, the mediocrity of the Cybertruck, the paring down of their product lines, they continue to lose self driving ground to Waymo, Tesla isn't failing but it isn't doing great either and I think Musk himself eats a lot of that. My prediction is that Tesla is sticking around with within the next 5 years they will have squandered their enormous first mover advantage. Once the other car companies are able to produce affordable battery packs Tesla will have to compete on more than price and they will lose that fight |
| 65983436 | 65983208 | 5 | Insightful | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983208,65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I do not understand why people see the concept of costs being passed on to consumers as controversial. If a corporation ceases to make a profit, it ceases to exist. If a corporation is taxed into oblivion and cannot meet the payroll, people stop working there and it stops creating goods and services. Their only existential option is to pass new costs onto consumers.Why is this difficult for people to understand? |
| 65983748 | 65983208 | 5 | Insightful | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | policy_realist | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983208,65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You do realize they'll never "eat" those costs, right? They'll pass them on to you the consumer and maintain their profits and bonuses. I dislike being that cynical, but the tariffs have shown us extra costs are passed on. You are indeed being overly cynical. You're right that they don't want to eat those costs, but you're missing that they also don't want to lose market share (and therefore sales) to a competitor who is able to charge less because the competitor doesn't incur those costs. Which is to say, if there is an alternative way to provide the same (or similar) product cheaper by reducing/avoiding expensive CO2 emissions, they'll switch to that, as a way to remain competitive. Which is the desired outcome. |
| 65983258 | 65983128 | 3 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983128,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The paywall really puts a damper on the doomsaying, though. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Stargate: Dr. Rodney McKay: Why wait? Why does the guy show up a day-and-a-half after this all starts to do his whole "Prepare to meet your doom" thing? Major Samantha Carter: I don't know. Maybe he wanted to make sure it was gonna work. Dr. Rodney McKay: Yeah, that would be embarrassing, wouldn't it? "Nothing can stop the destruction that I bring upon you!" Then the gate shuts down. "Oops, sorry. Never mind." |
| 65983352 | 65983208 | 3 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983208,65983160 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | We (for a value which does not include maggots) already knew that about tariffs and also about everything else. |
| 65983462 | 65983168 | 3 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983168 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The species will survive but civilization as we know it most certainly will not survive. A small subset (read rich people) will have the money to build secure, self-sustaining and very likely fully autonomous areas. Some already own islands large enough for purpose. |
| 65983526 | 65983462 | 3 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983462,65983168 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | For a short while, sure. But who will be available to replenish their wine cellars? |
| 65983592 | 65983158 | 3 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983158,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | They actually found that antarctic ice (as a whole) is increasing due to increased water-vapor in the atmosphere and more snow falling. Are you sure? The measurements are showing a pretty heavy mass loss in Antarctica [nasa.gov]. I think you might have just made that up yourself. |
| 65983620 | 65983210 | 3 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983210,65983130 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | 2012 was the record minimum for Artic sea ice. For extent, yes it was. For volume, it may have been 2018 [uw.edu]. |
| 65983656 | 65983610 | 3 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 2 | 65983610,65983532 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | It lost its atmosphere once already. Even if you could pipe in a new one, how are you going to stop it blowing away? You can't glue it down. A new atmosphere would take millions of years to dissipate. Such an atmosphere could "easily" be protected indefinitely from erosion by installation of a handful of superconducting rings around the planet. Only a few GW of power would be required to power the rings. |
| 65983756 | 65983728 | 3 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983728,65983672,65983508 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | A great sermon, but the great Sagan. The one that gives me goosebumps is his concerns of the fall of science in The Demon Haunted World: “I worry that, especially as the Millennium edges nearer, pseudoscience and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive. Where have we heard it before? Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us - then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls. The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir.” |
| 65984130 | 65983964 | 3 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65983964,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I disagree. Are you ready to make a real difference and ban personal automobiles? Itâ(TM)s easy to attack other peopleâ(TM)s choices when you donâ(TM)t have to make a sacrifice yourself. Me? I sold my car in 2008 and havenâ(TM)t replaced it. One of the best things I ever did. |
| 65984180 | 65983560 | 3 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 3 | 65983560,65983388,65983102 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | He just got the right timing and the right product for that moment. And the right marketing. He leaned heavily on aspects of performance, coolness and luxury. He's (or was) god at marketing. He's still good at hype. |
| 65984268 | 65984130 | 3 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 3 | 65984130,65983964,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Something tells me you don't live 12km from the nearest grocery store. |
| 65983168 | | 2 | Insightful | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | policy_realist | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983168 | Comment shows policy realist posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | History is well populated by traces of civilizations brought low by climate change, possibly including the moment when the entire human population was reduced to perhaps 1000 individuals (i.e., we almost didn't make it). So it is interesting thatthere was much rejoicing that almost the entire collection of climate change efforts, such as they were, have been eliminated by the current administration. Strange that -- almost as though MAGA meant 'make america go away'. Now I have never been one to think that a move towards electric cars and houses was going to do much to move the climate change needle into reverse. But over time there was the hope that moving away from hard hit areas and other defensive moves would moderate the impact. But refusing to do anything until the crisis is upon us does nothing but maximize the costs of survival -- sort of what has happened to FEMA. These sorts of weather extremes are already part of reality, even in the US. With the melting of the polar ice, permafrost thawing and signs that the atlantic current that warms Europe is diminishing, unpleasant new realities seem inevitable. Wonder if the species will survive this time? |
| 65983272 | 65983130 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | so the drastic climate change issues we've seen in the last 5 years are make believe? |
| 65983356 | 65983212 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983212 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | How exactly did you shit that out? Are those OCR errors? |
| 65983438 | 65983190 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983190,65983160 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | >> so that the ice caps do not melt for a third time in the last 20 years? You're still blabbering? |
| 65983610 | 65983532 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983532,65983252,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | We should terraform mars anyway. It lost its atmosphere once already. Even if you could pipe in a new one, how are you going to stop it blowing away? You can't glue it down. |
| 65983628 | 65983192 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983192 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The last ice age has been retreating for the last 20k years. There was a bit of a cooling period from 13,500 to 12,500 years ago, and another form but nothing like a real ice age. |
| 65983636 | 65983252 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983252,65983176,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Mars is already a completely unlivable hellscape of a planet. Economically and technologically speaking, it's far easier to just not screw up Earth any worse than it already is than terraform Mars. All you have to do is place a hand on the button. |
| 65983650 | 65983212 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983212 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Remind me, why doesn't slashdot have an ignore function again? |
| 65983664 | 65983192 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | confused_reachable | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983192 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | We had a glacial period in the last 11,000 years. We're in an interglacial period, now. The world has been in an ice age for several million years. It's not clear that mankind would survive even as a species on a world without ice on it. The temperatures during the Cretaceous Thermal Maximum were mind-boggling. The temperature of the ocean at low latitudes we ~100F/38C. Most of the large ocean-dwelling dinosaurs (plesiosaurs, etc) were wiped out. Human crops would grow only in the top 10 degrees of latitude, or so. That was the climate reacting to ~1000ppm of CO2. So yes, the last 11,000 years have been very benign vs. what we are playing with. |
| 65983670 | 65983356 | 2 | | Insufficient Context | Insufficient Context | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | insufficient_context | insufficient_context | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983356,65983212 | Comment shows insufficient context posture with insufficient context rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | very fat fingers. |
| 65983690 | 65983656 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 2 | 65983656,65983610 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Hadn't considered generating an artificial geomagnetic field. I take it back, you can glue it down. You still need to pipe it in the first place. You'll need a long hose if you're going to take it from Venus. |
| 65983736 | 65983628 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983628,65983192 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The world is still in an ice age. If there is ice on the poles, it is an ice age. The glaciers began retreating ~20kya, and the last glacial period officially ended ~11kya. We are in an interglacial period of the Quaternary Ice Age now. We call it the Holocene. |
| 65983904 | 65983464 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 3 | 65983464,65983314,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | And your priority for the $20,000 price differential is to spend it on a luxury vehicle? I would prioritize rent, land, or retirement. |
| 65983914 | 65983656 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | empirical_skeptic | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 2 | 65983656,65983610 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The magnetic field (or lack thereof) isn't really relevant to atmospheric mass loss (IIRC Earth's magnetic field overall increases its atmospheric loss rate slightly). The lower gravity is the big problem. |
| 65983928 | 65983882 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983882,65983190,65983160 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I am sure that India and Africa will forgo cheap energy (Which is what has pulled all first world countries out of poverty) and stay poor because of the environment. |
| 65983958 | 65983464 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 3 | 65983464,65983314,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So, you would rather drive a Chinese EV than a Tesla? I do not know where you are from, but I still think you have some wrong priorities. If you are implying that Tesla is a better option because China is not trustworthy, then sure - there are reasons to be suspicious about China, but I wouldn't trust Musk as far as I could throw him. |
| 65983972 | 65983606 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983606,65983158,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I don't have politics, I think both parties are equally crazy and try and distance myself from both. |
| 65984054 | 65983972 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983972,65983606,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | That's great to hear. I love to be wrong about shit like that. |
| 65984212 | 65983252 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983252,65983176,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | all the more reason to send Musk let him get a head start, |
| 65984280 | 65983526 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983526,65983462,65983168 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | There will be workers who are supported for a very comfortable life, provided they only want food and shelter and not things like education for their children. |
| 65984412 | 65984130 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 3 | 65984130,65983964,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I disagree. Are you ready to make a real difference and Euthanise those over 50 (me!) and move on to Star Trek utopia/UBI. |
| 65984492 | 65984028 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65984028,65983824 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | If you think you are immune from being deceived you are...deceiving yourself. The US is a prime example of how *everyone* can be deceived. There are two parties fighting each other, neither side is willing to try to see the other side's point of view, to meet in the middle. Yes, there *is* a middle, and we are more alike than we are different. But politicians and influencers have deceived us into thinking that our neighbors are our enemies, if they vote differently than we do. They are not our enemies. If we cannot figure this out, we will surely come to blows like Ukraine and Russia. |
| 65984622 | 65983464 | 2 | | Insufficient Context | Insufficient Context | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | insufficient_context | insufficient_context | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 3 | 65983464,65983314,65983102 | Comment shows insufficient context posture with insufficient context rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | In a heartbeat. |
| 65984646 | 65983656 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 2 | 65983656,65983610 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You don't need to do any of that. The atmosphere bleeds in million year time scales. The amount of CO2 humanity has produced in the past 250 years would be enough to pump up the martian atmosphere and keep it topped off indefinitely. |
| 65984728 | 65983426 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | ad hominem | 1 | 65983426 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: ad hominem. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Why wouldn't they? They are very nice to live in and when they flood the bill will be paid by you. |
| 65984940 | 65983436 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983436,65983208,65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I do not understand why people see the concept of costs being passed on to consumers as controversial. If a corporation ceases to make a profit, it ceases to exist. If a corporation is taxed into oblivion and cannot meet the payroll, people stop working there and it stops creating goods and services. Their only existential option is to pass new costs onto consumers.Why is this difficult for people to understand? It's not controversial, but it's also not that simple. If they could just raise prices without consequences they would already do that. But higher prices means less items sold. This is also true when they are just passing costs along. Sometimes the most profitable option is to pass along some of the increased cost, and eat part of it; because passing along all of it would lead to a dramatic loss in sales. |
| 65984968 | 65983526 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983526,65983462,65983168 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Why do you think we are all in their mad rush to develop AI and robotics? We have to help them create the new slave class because it never would work out to enslave us to serve them. They know general AI is not coming to take over - they'd oppose that! If they do believe it, they expect they will be it's master if they create it 1st and then use it to dominate the world before others are created. All paranoid thoughts of the rubes (us) they've been robbing of wealth for generations has them concerned we'll rise up against them and take back their undeserved wealth. Bunkers don't work as they all come to realize their servants have no incentive when the system fails to give so much to support helpless rulers... the guards have to think-- i have the physical power, why can't I be in charge? Robots are slaves who won't question. They only need guard drones to force a tiny set of humans to comply; the rest can fend for themselves outside the gates. Mechanical Slave is what English speakers said before adopting the Slav word robotinic from a book that used it for mechanical slaves. You can hear it from Popular Science film reels. |
| 65984982 | 65984570 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65984570,65984260,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Exactly, and even if they came around and crushed every fossil-fuel vehicle and replaced them with EVs, it's still going to take hundreds of years for the greenhouse effect to level off and calm down, not to mention that you need the power stations everyplace now, and you need the generating capacity to charge at a minimum of half of all of them at the same time. Switching to "green power" is the same problem... it'll take hundreds of years to make a difference. There is no fast fix In the meantime, stock up on oscillating fans and MREs and water, and Hawaiian shirts. |
| 65985056 | 65983972 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983972,65983606,65983130 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Both sides are the same; GOT IT. |
| 65985064 | 65984646 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 2 | 65984646,65983656 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Pipe all CO2 production to Mars and then how long for livable atmo? |
| 65985072 | 65984022 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65984022,65983922 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | good job. |
| 65985078 | 65983730 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983730,65983608,65983130 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The gambler's dream. Sucks they're gambling with our planet. |
| 65985084 | 65984916 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | ad nauseam | 2 | 65984916,65984884 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: ad nauseam. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The thing is, with every vote being relatively close to 50-50, a minority acting in bad faith can make a lot of damage. Also "I don't understand all of that" is a weak reply. If you don't understand, there is the option to not vote. I don't mean to disrespect your father, I make no claim to perfection myself, and I certainly don't understand 100% of every issue at stake in every election. But the way immigrants are treated is a pretty big thing, and the authoritarian tendency is one that was warned about well ahead of the election. Ultimately I don't have all the context with your father. But the person I have been talking about made public claims that this was clearly a good thing for society, that he knew better despite the woke propaganda, basically acted superior. I reject the notion that this person was deceived. |
| 65985122 | 65983184 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983184,65983158,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Yeah, but who are you going to believe? Wakeboarder, or those wankers at NASA? |
| 65985190 | 65983556 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 2 | 65983556,65983220 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | GOP. It's in their name: Guardians Of Pedophiles. Pedophiles are not as bad as global warming; being on the wrong side of that makes it no surprise they'd support more foolish and evil things... it's really about power. anything for power. "The Republican philosophy might be summarized thus: To hell with principle; what matters is power, and that we have it, and that they do not." -Pat Buchanan |
| 65985316 | 65985084 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | ad nauseam | 2 | 65985084,65984916 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: ad nauseam. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I think we 99% agree. A minority in bad faith can do a lot of damage. "I don't understand" is a weak defense. The way immigrants have been treated is nothing short of a crime against humanity. We are in serious danger of falling into authoritarianism. There are, however, differences in the way people make decisions, including voting decisions. People like you and I look at the facts and draw logical conclusions. Not everyone is good at analyzing and making logical conclusions. Many, instead, pick people they trust and go with what those people say. It's a human instinct that has followed the human race for millennia, so it's hard to fault people for behaving this way. That doesn't mitigate the damage, but it does explain it...for many. Those who act in bad faith, have no excuse. |
| 65985396 | 65985224 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | Straw Man | 2 | 65985224,65985080 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: Straw Man. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | We don't "enforce" responsibility for a child being a man and a woman. Biology does that. I've got news for you, two men or two women cannot produce a baby without help. Can the responsibility for a child be transferred through adoption? Yes, of course, even to a same-sex couple. But biology gives the initial responsibility of care for a child to the two parents, who will, without exception, be a man and a woman. Once transferred, the responsibility belongs to the adoptive parents, whoever that may be. So how do we fix it? Well for starters, through a favorite technique espoused by liberals: education. Stop focusing sex education on the mechanics of sex, and focus more on the responsibilities of child rearing. Stop glorifying promiscuity in schools and in the movies. Educate children more about responsibility in general, rather than on pleasure. Children will figure out how to have pleasure all on their own, we don't need to teach them that. Responsibility has to be taught, it's not automatic. This is just as feasible as the strategies proposed by the left, to combat global warming. Hard, but not impossible. |
| 65985400 | 65983164 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983164,65983130 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Well yeah, because if all those resources in prosperity had been distributed around, we might have a shot at levering back the economy without everything collapsing. We made way too much stuff and generated way too much value, but it all got concentrated at the top rather than distributed so everyone could stop working and sit back and put the brakes on workaholism a little bit. |
| 65985442 | 65983436 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983436,65983208,65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Thatâ(TM)s a naÃve and juvenile black and white scenario. There are 1000 gradations of gray in between Must Profit and Collapse. In fact, one should probably go so far as to say that corporations ought to work for humanity, not for a stock market bottom line ultimately destroying the very systems they depend on. By having different profit motives, and not having a mandate to always make profit or they are sued into oblivion, you have a vehicle which might actually help humanity. |
| 65985554 | 65983176 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983176,65983164,65983130 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | That is one of the benefits of a multi planet culture. It's really not. I'm all in favor of humanity becoming a multi-planetary species. I think it's a good goal and we should work toward it. But colonizing Mars is not a solution for climate change because living in Mars' climate is way, way harder than living in Earth's, even with extreme global warming. I suppose you could argue that learning how to live on Mars would prepare us for living on a hellscape Earth, but (a) it's not clear that we are capable of continuing our civilization under such conditions and (b) even if we can, it would be orders of magnitude more costly than simply fixing Earth's climate. Colonizing Mars and then eventually turning the Mars colonies into a self-sufficient civilization is a good goal, and could be an important hedge against some other catastrophic risks (e.g. killer asteroids), but it's not a good solution for this problem. |
| 65985584 | 65985396 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | confused_reachable | 7 | 1 | no | Paralipsis | 2 | 65985396,65985224 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: Paralipsis. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So how do we fix it? Well for starters, through a favorite technique espoused by liberals: education. Stop focusing sex education on the mechanics of sex, and focus more on the responsibilities of child rearing. So you're OK with sex education, but you think they're giving the wrong instruction. Are Republicans proposing any pilot programs to test these ideas? This sounds like your opinion, but not sure what that has to do with the policy the right pushes. Conservative are more likely to ban sex education and end up with even more unintended pregnancies. Stop glorifying promiscuity in schools and in the movies. Educate children more about responsibility in general, rather than on pleasure. Again you need viable policy ideas on how to do this. You're just throwing out culture issues with some vague ideas that education can solve them. Now I'm not saying that you have to solve them from your armchair, but your argument is that the right is trying to legitimately solve them, and I'm not seeing it. Instead the right makes up non-issues like critical race theory being a part of elementary school education. |
| 65985660 | 65983620 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983620,65983210,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | True. And I think the volume is the more important metric to be concerned about. Although extant can have some influence on reflectivity in the polar regions. I just thought that it was an interesting coincidence that the poster chose 2012 for his argument. |
| 65985724 | 65985336 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | Straw Man | 2 | 65985336,65985192 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: Straw Man. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Whose tradition? Every culture has historically placed responsibility for children on the parents. Many cultures expand that responsibility to others in the community Right so the "traditional family unit" which you won't define---your words remember---is the parents but also maybe other people in some cultures. Biology says Biology don't say shit. parents are responsible because of the principle that actions have consequences Biology is not the moralizing god of some desert goat herders. It says nothing. It has no principles. It doesn't care if actions have consequences because it does not care. Most Republicans, by the way, believe in birth control too, Right that's why Republican states make it harder to get, don't teach kids about it and have higher teen pregnancy rates. |
| 65985778 | 65985584 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | Paralipsis | 2 | 65985584,65985396 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: Paralipsis. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I didn't say anything about the "right" doing anything constructive here. You asked me how society might go about ensuring stronger families, and that was my answer. I *did* say that the emphasis of sex education in schools is too much on the mechanics, and too focused on telling students that they can pick whatever kind of sexual relationships they want, and not enough on responsibility for the actions they choose. |
| 65986208 | 65983636 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983636,65983252,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Set off all the nukes and the Earth will still be much more habitable then Mars. |
| 65986212 | 65983316 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983316,65983164,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I remember an ammonia leak at the ice rink. People died. |
| 65986794 | 65986738 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | ad nauseam | 2 | 65986738,65986644 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: ad nauseam. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Clearly, you choose not to read, so I won't repeat what I said multiple times, about who is responsible for children and why. The underlying principle is that people are responsible for their own actions. This principle is not seriously debated. All civilized, non-corrupt legal systems are built on this principle. You are incorrect about hunter-gatherers. These tribes divided responsibilities for the children: the mothers took care of the most of the daily care, cleaning, and teaching, because the fathers were away hunting. The fathers were responsible for feeding their children and providing shelter. Yes, both sides are equally *hypocritical* (I didn't say bad, you did). |
| 65986908 | 65986842 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | ad nauseam | 2 | 65986842,65986794 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: ad nauseam. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Name a country that assigns responsibility for a person's actions, to someone other than the person who acted, and I will show you a corrupt country. Go ahead, name a country where this isn't true. This principle does not exclude systemic problems. Both things can be true at the same time. Yes, we have systemic issues in the US, such as teaching children that they can have sex for pleasure, with anyone they want, without worrying about consequences. That is systemic. But it does not negate personal responsibility, in *any* country that is not corrupt. Your articles do not dispute that hunter-gatherer parents were responsible for their own children. They do discuss how parents had a lot of help from others. In many hunter-gatherer societies, alloparents provide almost half of a child’s care. This means that half of a child's care was provided by...the child's own parents. Having help is a good thing. Having help does not negate responsibility. |
| 65986946 | 65986908 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65986908,65986842 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Name a country that assigns responsibility for a person's actions, to someone other than the person who acted, and I will show you a corrupt country. Go ahead, name a country where this isn't true. How about we actually go for the thing I said rather than your somewhat extreme misrepresentation of it? But fine, I'll bite. When a driver runs over a pedestrian in America, the driver is blamed, but also the pedestrian, which is how you ended up with pedestrian crossing flags and roads which are way more dangerous than the UK. When a driver runs over a pedestrian in the UK, the driver is blamed, but also the road design may well be analysed to see if something there contributes to dangerous interactions. That's how we have some of the safest roads in the world. This principle does not exclude systemic problems. Either people are solely responsible or not. You can't have it both ways. Your articles do not dispute that hunter-gatherer parents were responsible for their own children. They do discuss how parents had a lot of help from others. so what's this traditional family unit you keep banging on about? One where the mother and father look after the kid alone or one where 50% of the time someone else does it? |
| 65983192 | | 1 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | confused_reachable | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983192 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | What planet were they studying? We had an ice age within the last 11,000 years. I would never call that benign. The oceans have also been 3-5m higher than they are now. I agree we shouldn't make things worse than needed, but let's not forget that the climate changes on its own up and down over time. |
| 65983286 | 65983130 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | only retarded people were saying that lmfao what fucking virgins were you listening to a decade and a half ago "catastrophically wrong" is fox news levels of wrong |
| 65983296 | 65983130 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Oh, geez. +3 on this shit. /.'s fallen HARD, damn. fuckin shameful embarrassment |
| 65983316 | 65983164 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983164,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | No way? How about nuclear plants generating power to make ammonia, then burning that in vehicles. Zero carbon, almost no new infrastructure, just new nozzles on gas pumps and new valves on gas tanks. But this has never been about solutions, its all about extortion. |
| 65983532 | 65983252 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983252,65983176,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | We should terraform mars anyway. The science learned from that will fix earth. One day the sun will expand. It'll envelop the earth (and eventually mars, yes, but colonizing mars buys us time to colonize Jupiter and Saturn moons and develop alcubierre drive FTL and colonize the stars. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes...and all of this...all of this...was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars. |
| 65983560 | 65983388 | 1 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 3 | 65983388,65983280,65983102 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Maybe? It's arguable that his support of this admin helped them win power and that has offset much of the good hos EVs have done at this point. Probably not true but it's also not zero, he's burned through a lot of his goodwill and the admin is setting the issue backwards by some amount. Oh, he burned through all of his goodwill with everybody who doesn't love the horrible things he's doing. A whole lot of people across the world will no longer buy a Tesla, and a whole lot of Tesla drivers are embarrassed to drive them. This is in Europe too. So now the guy promises to turn Tesla into an AI/robotics company that will change the world. Except that EVs existed before Tesla. Except he was not a first mover. He just got the right timing and the right product for that moment. |
| 65983606 | 65983158 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983158,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | This was probably an innocent mistake, even though I'm pretty sure you're more than willing to sacrifice any semblance of intelligence for your politics, but that's actually only true for a specific part of Antarctica. Antarctica as a whole has had a dramatic reduction of ice. |
| 65983630 | 65983628 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983628,65983192 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | *sigh* Another from around 5k to 100 years ago |
| 65983964 | 65983118 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 1 | 65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I disagree, the real question is are they ready to ban civilian air travel? If no one is willing to give up that luxury then whatever posturing they do they are not actually worried. They can recycle the cruise ships at the same time. YouTube has a channel for Haulover Inlet. You can watch the big pleasure craft with 4 to 6 20 gph outboards going in and out of harbor. They aren't worried either. |
| 65985480 | 65983964 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65983964,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | It's worse than that - are they willing to go to war, and kill billions of people, to enforce their will upon the planet. They cannot get the results they want without the use of force. If you have a global problem that can only be addressed by global collective action, and you cannot possibly persuade the entire globe to join in on your proposed solution, the only option left is violence. |
| 65985524 | 65983436 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983436,65983208,65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Because most people think that corporations work like the government, which will never go out of business, or run out of money, because they can print it, and take it away from you by force. If called them "employers" rather than "corporations", people might change their frame, but most positions on this are already pretty solidified. |
| 65985528 | 65983718 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983718,65983208,65983160 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Unless you're selling coffins, antibiotics, flood insurance and weapons. |
| 65985612 | 65984130 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 3 | 65984130,65983964,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Ban...not globally, but in 150 years fuel for tuktuks will not be available. Casual interest in EVs (something I'll never be able to afford) has impressed upon me just how much energy vehicles consume...I mean, more kWh than my house. This got masked by the energy density and abundance of petrol (and refined products). It's clear from watching global news that the future of personal transport is...donkeycart. The contraction in road networks will be profound. The extreme affluent will still maintain roads where they want to go. Roads used for commerce will be maintained, or possibly revert to rail. Using personal transport to go 12km for a weekly shop won't be a thing. |
| 65986110 | 65983488 | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.58 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983488,65983436,65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So who exactly would be interested in establishing such a company with all the cost, risk and no benefits? |
| 65983130 | | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So, the ice caps will again disappear like they were supposed to in 2012? When are people going to stop falling for this. They have been CATASTROPHICALLY wrong every single time. |
| 65983158 | 65983130 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | They actually found that antarctic ice (as a whole) is increasing due to increased water-vapor in the atmosphere and more snow falling. The boffins didn't see that one coming. |
| 65983164 | 65983130 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So, the ice caps will again disappear like they were supposed to in 2012? When are people going to stop falling for this. They have been CATASTROPHICALLY wrong every single time. And hopefully they will continue to be wrong, because if eventually they aren't wrong we are fucked in a way that is 100% fatal for everyone. The biggest problem, that nobody wants to talk about (for good reason), is that there is no way to reverse our collision course with disaster without completely destroying our economy and everyone goes back to riding horses and living in caves. |
| 65983190 | 65983160 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983160 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Change so that the ice caps do not melt for a third time in the last 20 years? The climate doomsayers have been more than wrong every time. Not a little off. Completely, not even in the ballpark WRONG. Why push the third world deeper into poverty because of what people that have never been close to right predict? |
| 65983314 | 65983280 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 3 | 65983280,65983128,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Not the most successful anymore. China's eating his lunch, and they'd be doing more in the US if it weren't for protectionism. |
| 65983322 | 65983192 | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983192 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | It doesn't change like it is right now though. Never in the history of the Earth as far as we can determine. If you view the rate of change since the industrial revolution compared to any time in the past it looks absolutely insane. |
| 65983464 | 65983314 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 3 | 65983314,65983280,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So, you would rather drive a Chinese EV than a Tesla? I do not know where you are from, but I still think you have some wrong priorities. |
| 65983470 | 65983464 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 3 | 65983464,65983314,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Even the Chinese Tesla's are better than the other versions. What rock have you been hiding under? |
| 65983488 | 65983436 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983436,65983208,65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Why is it so difficult to understand that by cutting the fat at the top will also increase profits and that profits can be zero and a company can still grow. So get rid of shareholders, get rid of outrageous salaries, plough back all the mansions, luxury cars, jewellery, designer clothes, shoes, etc., etc. and unnecessarily lavish consumption, there would probably be a bit left over to vicarious spend on proactive climate mitigation... |
| 65983520 | 65983464 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 3 | 65983464,65983314,65983102 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So, you would rather drive a Chinese EV than a Tesla? When I bought my Chinese EV, it was absolutely because I'd rather have a Temu car than a Nazi Car. I do not know where you are from, but I still think you have some wrong priorities. For me, it's not even close. Nor for about 90% of the world. The only countries where Tesla is leading EV sales is USA (but now less than half the new EV market, and declining) and Norway (with less than a fifth of EV sales). |
| 65983556 | 65983220 | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 1 | 65983220 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Multiple times during the hearing, Bondi would refuse to answer questions Why are Republicans all pedo protectors? |
| 65983572 | 65983296 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983296,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Did you perhaps have some kind of refutation of the facts? Name one climate prediction over the last 40 years that came close to truth. Just, one dire prediction of, "If we don't do all this stuff I propose, X will happen in Y years!" In 2006, former vice-president Al Gore projected that unless drastic measures were implemented, the planet would hit an irreversible “point of no return” by 2016. Game over. Rajendra Pachauri, head of the UN Climate Panel, one-upped Gore in 2007, insisting 2012 was the year of irreversibility. “If there is no action before 2012, that’s too late. Godfather of global warming, James Hansen, drew a line in the sand testifying before Congress in June 2008, on the dangers of greenhouse gases: “We’re toast if we don’t get on a very different path. This is the last chance.” A very few examples. You know this. What makes this, "Dire prediction that requires a transfer of power to those in the know!" any different than the others. |
| 65983718 | 65983208 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.58 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983208,65983160 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You do realize they'll never "eat" those costs, right? They'll pass them on to you the consumer and maintain their profits and bonuses. I dislike being that cynical, but the tariffs have shown us extra costs are passed on. Hard to have profits when your customers and consumers are dead from heat stroke, invasive tropical diseases, flooding, and resource wars. |
| 65983790 | 65983160 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983160 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Weird how every solution to "Climate Change" boils down to more communism, isn it? |
| 65983978 | 65983220 | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 1 | 65983220 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | A funny thing about Bondi’s insults to members of Congress who had serious questions: Staff literally gave her flash cards with individualized insults, but she couldn’t memorize them, so you can see her shuffle through them to find the flash-cards-insult that matches the member. Totally unserious country, sure, but why are you all protecting the pedos? Didn't all you MAGAs support Trump because he was going to go after the pedos? "Drain the swamp" you chanted, "but protect the pedos", you quietly whispered... |
| 65984544 | 65984130 | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 3 | 65984130,65983964,65983118 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I disagree. Are you ready to make a real difference and ban personal automobiles? No. Until those who scream the loudest and want me to sacrifice are willing to at least reduce their own waste, energy usage, and luxury to at least my level, they are hypocrites. If you fly in a private jet to a conference to lecture me on my "carbon footprint", you can fuck right off. I have never accepted demands from the do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do crowd. Itâ(TM)s easy to attack other peopleâ(TM)s choices when you donâ(TM)t have to make a sacrifice yourself. Me? I sold my car in 2008 and havenâ(TM)t replaced it. One of the best things I ever did. I applaud your conviction. Now if you can get Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Al Gore and all the other climate scolds to give up all their extra houses and start flying coach, I might consider it progress. Otherwise, you are just a modern day flagellant trying to appease the Gods while handing power to the priests. Sorry to post anon. I had already moderated this thread. |
| 65984774 | 65983130 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Because we can't make future predictions about something that has never happened before doesn't mean nothing is happening. Denial seems the most logically flowed approach here. If it's true, then we're all fscked and need to respond right away. If it's not true, then the response will likely be beneficial in the long run, but will do no harm in the short term. Why *not* respond to the problem? |
| 65985428 | 65983972 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 13 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.58 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983972,65983606,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 13/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.58). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | >I don't have politics If you have no convictions then nothing you say matters. Goodbye. |
| 65983118 | | 5 | Funny | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Is this going to happen before, or after I retire? |
| 65983188 | 65983118 | 5 | Insightful | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | And this is why we cant have older people dictating policy in our governments. |
| 65983364 | 65983220 | 5 | Insightful | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983220 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Nobody gives a fuck whether the climate before we existed would have supported us. What matters is now and this is an unprecedented situation with previously unseen rates of change. |
| 65983758 | 65983724 | 5 | Insightful | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983724,65983598,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Based on my own older family members who voted for Trump, I don't believe they did so because they didn't care, but because they were deceived. The thing is, they wanted to be deceived -- that gave them an out. Now they can go to their graves with a clear conscience, because they "know" global warming is a myth and therefore they didn't really doom their grandchildren. That's all they wanted, is some comforting lies that would give them permission to not worry about it. |
| 65983764 | 65983484 | 5 | Insightful | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983484 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Will it be this utter hell some are predicting? Probably not. But it will be toasty. An odd thing is some places will get colder. If you consider only the climate itself, then it probably won't be utter hell -- large portions of the Earth will still be perfectly livable. But at the same time -- large, currently highly populated portions of the Earth will no longer be livable, and all of those dispossessed people are going to have to go somewhere else, and compete for the remaining resources of the places that remain livable... which means refugee flows, and famine, and xenophobia, and violence, and war. That's where the utter hell is going to come from. Too many mouths chasing not enough grain. |
| 65983564 | 65983188 | 4 | Insightful | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983188,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | While this may seem logical on the surface, real-life older people do actually care about the future of their own children and grandchildren. |
| 65984190 | 65983824 | 4 | Funny | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983824,65983758 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | As with all things it's a question of degree and who's affected. There's a difference between complaining about the tumble drier shrinking my waistband and destroying the habitable world. |
| 65984260 | 65983926 | 4 | Funny | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983926,65983128,65983102 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | We did get fucked. Millions of people died. What's your point? |
| 65984264 | | 4 | Funny | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65984264 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I'm moving to Mars. Well the moon first. |
| 65983466 | 65983430 | 3 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.55 | good_faith | policy_realist | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983430 | Comment shows policy realist posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | It is not a panic, and it is not a zero sum game. Certainly you agree on the trends of CO2 in the atmosphere, and the increase in Temperatures? Yes? Build "all of the above" energy sources, I think. Let the market win. PS. I suspect the coal plants China is building is a hedge against a nuclear war. |
| 65983672 | 65983596 | 3 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983596,65983508 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | There were events in the last half million years that changed the temperature by up to 16 degrees C in fairly short time periods. Well, about 12 degrees [researchgate.net], but that aside, every species that exists, evolved with the current inter-glacial, glaciation cycle of the past couple and a half million years. The current warming is different in two ways. One: The warming is from the top of an interglacial. Many ecosystems that could move to address a cooling from the top of an interglacial will not be able to move in the other direction, because they will hit the top of mountains of the edge of continents. Two: This warming is much faster. Your "fairly short time periods" are about 6000 years for those 12 degrees. 1 degree every 500 years. We've done that in 50. |
| 65983688 | 65983250 | 3 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | empirical_skeptic | 6 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983250 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | We didn't even have a winter up here in Seattle. I guess weather is separate from climate, or something. |
| 65983824 | 65983758 | 3 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983758,65983724 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Indeed. We all lie to ourselves to make ourselves feel better, do we not? |
| 65984004 | 65984002 | 3 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984002,65983724 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Oh don't get on your high horse, we are all susceptible to deception. We're just susceptible to different *kinds* of deception. |
| 65983102 | | 2 | Funny | Insufficient Context | Insufficient Context | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | insufficient_context | insufficient_context | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983102 | Comment shows insufficient context posture with insufficient context rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Just move away. |
| 65983186 | | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983186 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Should drop worldwide temperatures by 10-20 degrees. Will also help depopulate and deindustrialize the world a bit. It's a win/win. |
| 65983280 | 65983128 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983128,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I'd rather have Musk just move away. And take the most successful line of EVs with him? |
| 65983362 | 65983188 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983188,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Yep, gerontocracy has consequences. Ignoring global warming, a failing economic system, and other problems that should be tolerable to the comfortably retired for a few more decades are among them. |
| 65983394 | 65983302 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983302 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The oil and gas companies you mean? All of it, and all of our lives as well. |
| 65983404 | 65983380 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983380,65983364,65983220 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Okey dokey coward. Run along and let the adults have a conversation now, I hear your mom calling me. |
| 65983414 | 65983280 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983280,65983128,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Formerly most successful. BYD passed them in 2025. |
| 65983448 | | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983448 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | After every other option is exhausted, and there is a massive crisis. |
| 65983484 | | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983484 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | My calculations - which are not just baseless, tells me we tipped in the mid-late 80's. Will it be this utter hell some are predicting? Probably not. But it will be toasty. An odd thing is some places will get colder. There will be increased rainfall, there will be a bit of a wildcard as pent-up subsoil methane is released. The big wild card is if oceanic methane clathrates somehow get released. |
| 65983508 | | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983508 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | People, not necessarily. Some life forms will adapt, evolve for the current climate, and even thrive. Microscopic ones, most likely, their generations are short and change is fast. They may even evolve into dinosaurs again one day, but humans are not necessarily in the future if we keep the current trends. Even Billionaire Bunkers won't help (think small, isolated gene pools and finite resources). Perhaps I'm an optimist, but I don't think we'll kill ALL life on earth. |
| 65983644 | 65983186 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983186 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Cleaner and cheaper to steer a small asteroid into the planet. |
| 65983724 | 65983598 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983598,65983564,65983118 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Based on my own older family members who voted for Trump, I don't believe they did so because they didn't care, but because they were deceived. |
| 65983728 | 65983672 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983672,65983596,65983508 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I keep in my heart Carl Sagans monologue about how every petty little human being who ever lived, lived on this tiny blue dot, while showing the picture of earth as shown by Voyager millions of miles away from earth. The end of his Cosmos show. It breaks my heart how we are pissing it all away now. It seems to be a "battle" between people who want to cooperate, and people who want to destroy. |
| 65983754 | 65983308 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983308 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Runaway Greenhouse Effect is poor terminology. That being said, there are known tipping points, where a set amount of warming will be effectively inevitable even if we were to stop emissions today, once crossed. Those are what they're referring to "runaway". Since most people associate "runaway" with "literally no way to stop until there's no water left on the planet", a la Venus, it's definitely not a term that should be used by Scientists. Which is why it isn't. The article is referring to tipping points, which are very real. |
| 65983760 | 65983186 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983186 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Should drop worldwide temperatures by 10-20 degrees. Will also help depopulate and deindustrialize the world a bit. It's a win/win. I wouldn't describe the deaths of billions as "win/win". More like "lose/lose/lose/lose/lose/lose/win/lose/lose/lose/lose", maybe. |
| 65983780 | 65983688 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983688,65983250 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Yeah, like the negative temperatures across the entire midwest and upper midwest as well as the mid-atlantic region to New England. I guess climate for a region is different than for weather in one area. |
| 65983804 | 65983734 | 2 | | Insufficient Context | Insufficient Context | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | insufficient_context | insufficient_context | 5 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983734,65983644,65983186 | Comment shows insufficient context posture with insufficient context rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Fair. |
| 65983808 | 65983624 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983624 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I think that is partially true. The gulf stream may stop in the next 50 years. I think that even this POSSIBILITY is cause for alarm. The boomers thought pattern is that they got theirs, and screw everybody else. As part of: "Everybody Else", I don't agree, even if you are a Tyrannical Majority. |
| 65983826 | 65983554 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983554,65983464 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | "Currently driving a Chinese EV in the USA" Which? They're considered road legal? You imported it? |
| 65984002 | 65983724 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983724,65983598,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So, they are easier to deceive, this is another reason... you are making the case. |
| 65984028 | 65983824 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983824,65983758 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | No, we don't. Don't judge everyone by your ways. |
| 65984082 | 65983808 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983808,65983624 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I think that is partially true. The gulf stream may stop in the next 50 years. I think that even this POSSIBILITY is cause for alarm. I don't understand how the gulf stream can stop. The energy has to go somewhere. It can change or move but stop? |
| 65984086 | 65983362 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983362,65983188,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | the people actively wrecking the economic system are not all that old. besides, be positive! we will likely be engulfed by chaos and war long before passing that tipping point. if we survive that and return to the middle ages for a few centuries we might even avoid it altogether! |
| 65984258 | 65984180 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984180,65983560 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Everyone can be good at "hype" but most people have some sense of ethics. |
| 65984318 | 65983724 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983724,65983598,65983118 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I don't know about your family members, but the one Trump voter I know did so despite a number of people around him making every bit of deception very clear. He thought he knew better. And he still does, still convinced that Kamala Harris would have been worse for freedom, whatever that means. He also rejects sources of information like Wikipedia or the Guardian as biased, but builds his views based on podcasts. So at some point I'm thinking that this person will just go to any length to rationalise his selfish views, including looking condescendingly at others and telling them they're being played, while thinking he's so smart. The amount of self-deception involved is unknown to me, but it doesn't change much. This person was not deceived by Trump, they chose to go there. |
| 65984392 | 65984268 | 2 | | Insufficient Context | Insufficient Context | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | insufficient_context | insufficient_context | 5 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65984268,65984130,65983118 | Comment shows insufficient context posture with insufficient context rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | That's a choice. |
| 65984438 | 65984392 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65984392,65984268,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | That makes the assumption that we truly have free will and that we aren't bound by any external factors, which is a really big assumption. |
| 65984524 | 65984190 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984190,65983824 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | It's always easier to see the silliness of the other side's self-deceptions, than one's own. The right denies global warming and its disastrous effects, but the left denies the importance of the traditional family unit, and the disastrous effects on children of the pervasiveness of single-parent families. Each side points at the other with horror. Each side has blind spots. |
| 65984534 | 65984318 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | good_faith | confused_reachable | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984318,65983724 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You are describing a person who has been deeply and thoroughly deceived. He chose who he trusts (the podcasters) and who he doesn't trust (Wikipedia and Guardian). Those choices lead naturally to a confused, deceived person. You too have chosen who you listen to and trust, and have made some errors as a result. |
| 65984556 | 65983358 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983358,65983220 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | It's depressing to me just how many so-called "nerds" around here are little more than shelled out muppets repeating the party line. You mean the "global warming is a myth" party line deliberately created by Big Oil and spread among the "I'm such an individual I get all my information from youtube videos" flock of fuckheads? |
| 65984570 | 65984260 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65984260,65983926,65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | That's exactly their point. We did get fucked. And we will get fucked by climate change, it will just play out over decades instead of a couple years. |
| 65984628 | 65984424 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984424,65983904 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I own my house but in hindsight if I threw my 400k down payment in a Roth it would have doubled by now meanwhile my house only gained about 15% in the same time period |
| 65984642 | 65983808 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983808,65983624 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | "The boomers thought pattern is that they got theirs, and screw everybody else." I'm going to recommend that you stop building straw men upon which to build false understandings. It is not useful; you only guarantee that your analyses are wrong. |
| 65984672 | 65983668 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983668,65983442,65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Humans thrive in the deserts and the tundra. We are quite adaptable. Besides, we've been getting these predictions for fifty years, and they're always wrong. |
| 65984702 | 65983484 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983484 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | And if there are no other systems involved that haven't been discovered or properly understood. And we are correct about the systems we are aware of, and if we do understand them sufficiently, and if all the theories and guesswork are accurate... |
| 65984718 | 65983764 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983764,65983484 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Are you including in your calculations the new, rich, cropland that becomes available? Or our ability to adapt and innovate? |
| 65984780 | 65984664 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984664,65984586 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You're such a cute apologist of the rashistan agression. Why should Ukraine give up anything at all when it is an unjustly attacked nation, which suffered enormous damage just so that the dictator in a neighboring country stay in power? If you have a nice house and a pretty wife and your neighbor moves into your home, locks you in the basement, rapes your wife and tells you he'll not starve you to death if you agree to give up some things, how far will you be willing to give up? Will you agree that he forces sex on your children? Because that's what Ukraine is facing, to a large extent because your country keeps betraying them despite promising a long time to aid them in exchange for them giving up their nukes permanently. |
| 65984844 | 65984780 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984780,65984664 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Again, you completely misread my comments. Russia is fully to blame and fully in the wrong for the war, Ukraine has a right to defend itself, and we should support them. In my illustration, Trump is like Putin, the aggressor. But in both lands, there is a long history. Ukraine *was* once part of the Soviet Union, and before that, was independent. History is usually messy, and it certainly is true of both the US and Ukraine. The US was also once at war with itself, and is now sliding towards war along many of the same fault lines as the first Civil War. I did not intend to suggest that Putin was justified in what he is doing, only to convey that if we cannot find a way to meet in the middle, we will become like Ukraine and Russia. |
| 65984884 | 65984534 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984534,65984318 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You imply that the choice of who we trust is made in good faith and while looking for truth. I do not believe that is always the case. Some choices are made with the aim to minimise discomfort regardless of truth, and while ignoring others even though they might know better. To clarify, I am only taking about educated people who know the history of the twentieth century. Or, taking a step back: lying has always been a weapon of choice of authoritarians. Including pretending that one has been deceived. If someone is accused by many of being authoritarian and you, an educated person, take what they say at face value without even scrutinising it, you are not being deceived. Or, said differently: if there's a voice in you that says "wait, what if these people are deceitful?" and you ignore that voice, choosing instead to trust them because they bring you comfort, then you are not being deceived: you are making a conscious choice to favour personal comfort over reality. |
| 65984916 | 65984884 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | policy_realist | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984884,65984534 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You imply that the choice of who we trust is made in good faith and while looking for truth. Yes, indeed, I do firmly believe that people like my father make this choice in good faith. He is firmly committed to his beliefs and truly believes they are right. When I point out discrepancies in his beliefs, such as the treatment of immigrants, he generally says something like "I don't understand all of that." I know my father, I know that he's not lying. And I believe that many others are similarly deceived. Are some people espousing Trump in bad faith? Yes, absolutely, I believe this. But is that the primary situation for Trump-followers? No, I don't believe so. |
| 65984928 | 65983362 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983362,65983188,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Old people who ignore climate change don't do that because they're old; they do it for the same reasons young people ignore climate change: 1. They're ignorant. 2. They don't believe human activity is a major contributor (see #1). 3. Their creature comforts are more important to them (see #1). 4. They trust the President more than the science (see #1). No doubt there are other reasons, but chances are they all trace back to #1 above. |
| 65984944 | 65984628 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984628,65984424 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Right. And where would you be living while that doubled? How fast would your rent have gone up? A *fixed* mortgage is *always* less than rent that goes up every year. |
| 65984956 | 65984754 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65984754,65984676,65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | No, that sharp and massive increase in the 18th century, where the temperature increased more than it has over the last eighty years in a much shorter timeframe. That was based on actual temperature readings, not inferred from other sources that lack the resolution to detect such rapid changes. Resolution is an issue. Ice cores lose it past a hundred years or so. Temperatures could spike ten degrees over ten years and then fall over twenty, and ice cores a couple hundred years later won't show it, just the average for that century. |
| 65985032 | 65984318 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984318,65983724 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Exactly. Every one of them I know all are variations on the same. They know better or more like believe better for most of them. Faith... has been hijacked bigtime. But the less gullible ones just think they are smarter-- "real world" and "common sense" is often spouted by them - most not having a college degree. It's often a sign of under-education because they invented that excuse because they weren't able to make it in school. Anybody educated is just out of touch with reality and doesn't know how things really work etc. |
| 65985104 | 65983188 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983188,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I think the bigger problem is people who believe the religious figure of their choice is going to call Game Over before the bad long-term choices they're voting for are going to matter too much. |
| 65985254 | 65984944 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984944,65984628 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Well a lot of people rent on the FIRE subreddit because their yearly gains are much higher than rent increases. I'm actually considering selling my house and traveling because the equity would appreciate far faster than my burn rate. Even at a modest 8% annual return if I'm spending even 36k on housing per year I only need about 450k in funds to break even. I mean to be fair a balanced approach is fine too. Right now I own and my mortgage is 3600 so I need to hit about half a million to be self sustaining without working. Hopefully by 45 I can hit that number. |
| 65985276 | 65985064 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | empirical_skeptic | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65985064,65984646 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Since we're talking about rates that increase and decrease based on volume it depends on the overall volume of the atmosphere but suffice to say it would take millions of years to destroy an atmosphere that took hundreds of years to "pump up". |
| 65985420 | 65984944 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | policy_realist | 5 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984944,65984628 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | A *fixed* mortgage is *always* less than rent that goes up every year. Property taxes also increase regularly. Given it's ostensibly the same market forces driving both (supply and demand), in a fair system we should be seeing rent prices and property taxes increase by about the same amount each year. |
| 65985546 | 65984206 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65984206 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Be part of, and help promote, the eco-village movement. Those who live in eco-villages have about 1/10th the carbon footprint of the general population. |
| 65985624 | 65984672 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65984672,65983668,65983200 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | This discussion has flown past climate change. We're now talking about multi-million year climate shifts, which aren't even in the same sport. Humans won't thrive in those deserts. Mostly, because there won't be any. |
| 65986418 | 65984702 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984702,65983484 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | And if there are no other systems involved that haven't been discovered or properly understood. And we are correct about the systems we are aware of, and if we do understand them sufficiently, and if all the theories and guesswork are accurate... Well, that's the thing. I sounded an alarm on Methane and its clathrates some years before it became mainstreamed. Many still ignore the clathrates. Instead of Temperature rise, let's look at this issue as energy retention or rejection. What we do know is that there is a direct correlation between the composition of an atmosphere and its energy retention properties. Some things like water vapor, Carbon Dioxide and methane are hard to reject as energy retention vectors. And there are energy rejection vectors as well. Sulfuric or Hydrogen Chloride aerosols do that trick. Some have even proposed injecting those aerosols into the atmosphere purposely. Utterly foolish. Trade off AGW for thousands of years of acid rain. Which might just make for more extinctions than AGW. Remember - the aerosols wash out of the atmosphere quickly, using the water cycle, measured in days. As soon as you stop the injection, the energy retention increases again. |
| 65986644 | 65986278 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65986278,65985782 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I have repeatedly defined the "traditional family unit" and you have repeatedly ignored what I said. A man and a woman engage in an act that produces a baby. This makes them responsible for the baby and defines them as a traditional family unit. Responsibility can be transferred or expanded or abdicated, but the default is that people are responsible for the consequences of their own actions, not for the actions of others. In those countries that have more teenage pregnancies, or less teenage pregnancies, the responsibility for the child still comes back to the two people who created that child. I agree completely that Republicans are hypocrites. And so are Democrats. |
| 65986738 | 65986644 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65986644,65986278 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I have repeatedly defined the "traditional family unit" and you have repeatedly ignored what I said. No, you didn't. You keep giving vague and ever changing things. It's the parents. But maybe also not just the parents. A man and a woman engage in an act that produces a baby. This makes them responsible for the baby and defines them as a traditional family unit. Responsibility can be transferred or expanded or abdicated, but the default is that people are responsible for the consequences of their own actions, not for the actions of others. No that's not the "default". You're basically asserting your opinion as a fact. If anything the hunter gatherer tribes which have expanded responsibility are the default since hunter gatherer is what humans were for most of the last 300,000 years. Collapsing down to only two parents is something of an anomaly. In those countries that have more teenage pregnancies America! or less teenage pregnancies, the responsibility for the child still comes back to the two people who created that child. No, not entirely. If you refuse to teach birth control etc, then the responsibility also lies with you. Refusing to educate kids then blaming them for their own lack of education on the grounds of personal responsibility is daft. I agree completely that Republicans are hypocrites. And so are Democrats. Do you think both sides are equally bad? |
| 65983200 | | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983200 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You cannot really argue with the geological record - it is literally written in stone. The usual state for the Earth is tropical all over, with no ice at the poles. Ice ages last a few million years, while the normal hot house climate lasts hundreds of millions of years. It will eventually go back to that no matter what we do. |
| 65983250 | | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983250 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | With negative wind chills caused by near daily high winds, a hothouse sounds nice. |
| 65983264 | | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983264 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Well now we know why certain political figures ignore climate change and say solar, wind turbines, and others are "evil". It's because they are from hell and want hell on earth. How pleasant... |
| 65983308 | | 1 | Troll | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983308 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | No credible research even comes close to suggesting runaway greenhouse effect. The worst case scenario was modeled to increase temperature by 5C over the next century. |
| 65983430 | | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983430 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | over and over again... They need to drop the panic. It doesn't work. It's always 10 or 20 years out and will be irreversible or gone forever. In 2002, scientists predicted the ice fields on Kilimanjaro would disappear between 2015 and 2020 “if current climatological conditions” persisted. Yet that didn't happen. Now if they just said there is a trend of warming. You know, coming out of an ice age it's been warming. The glaciers made by that have been melting. okay. Until then it's all about "give me money". if it was for real solutions they would be worried about pollution in India, china, etc. But I don't see any of these people trying to slow down the growth in those countries. Heck, China was just in the news for building more and more coal plants. If it's a world problem, but only treated as a "here" problem, it's about money and only money. |
| 65983602 | 65983308 | 1 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983308 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You must be living under a rock then. |
| 65983624 | | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983624 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I wish people would dispense with these over the top theatrics. There is no credible path to a hothouse earth. Climate change is disruptive and deserves serious attention yet when you make over the top assertions unsupported by science all it does is erode not only your own credibility but the credibility of your cause. |
| 65985098 | | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65985098 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The climate terrorists are always wrong. |
| 65985582 | 65984956 | 1 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65984956,65984754,65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Ask yourself the question - what is the average global surface temperature of the earth this very moment? Now pick any other day within the past year, when say, there was a massive cold snap, or massive heat wave. What was the average global surface temperature then? Nobody experiences average global surface temperature. Not even regions experience average global surface temperature. You can have the exact 59 degrees average global surface temperature with *massive* variation in the distribution of that temperature - and it's the distribution that matters. We are fooling ourselves if we believe we can measure the average global surface temperature accurately from ground stations, much less proxy records, and even more foolish to believe that it is a metric that matters. |
| 65985848 | | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65985848 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I think all the ideas about slowing or a total stop of carbon emissions are good... Yet pointless if we can not find a way to remove all that we have added. amazon.. ( the jungle) is on the verge of no longer being a carbon sink... With rising temp's I find it hard to think that everyone on the planet will plant a tree.. And it would hardly matter. We need something north of half a trillion... And they need be fully grown in a year... Any other good ideas ? |
| 65983126 | 65983118 | | | Insufficient Context | Insufficient Context | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | insufficient_context | insufficient_context | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983118 | Comment shows insufficient context posture with insufficient context rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Before you expire. |
| 65983240 | | | | Insufficient Context | Insufficient Context | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | insufficient_context | insufficient_context | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983240 | Comment shows insufficient context posture with insufficient context rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | kill your parents |
| 65983302 | | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983302 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | How much money are these shills going to beg for before they are satisfied? |
| 65983380 | 65983364 | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983364,65983220 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | There's the retard. Good job, shill. Your efforts to adhere to The Party have been noted. |
| 65983506 | 65983220 | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_tentative_questioning | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983220 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive tentative questioning. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | why do you still post your lies every time? Don't you ever get sick of being proven wrong time and time again? |
| 65983596 | 65983508 | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983508 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | There were events in the last half million years that changed the temperature by up to 16 degrees C in fairly short time periods. They didn't cause extinctions at that level. 8 billion humans though ... yeah they're effed. But there's no way to sustain those numbers anyway, we're consuming resources at far above replacement levels. |
| 65983648 | 65983442 | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983442,65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The Cretaceous for one, the Miocene for another, etc. Read it up yourself. Geology is not controversial or hidden or anything. The doomers just ignore it because it doesn't fit their money making racket. |
| 65983706 | 65983118 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Is this going to happen before, or after I retire? Depends. Are you younger than 66? |
| 65983734 | 65983644 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983644,65983186 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Cleaner and cheaper to steer a small asteroid into the planet. Why just a small one? |
| 65983762 | 65983724 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983724,65983598,65983118 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The road to hell is paved with good intentions. |
| 65984206 | | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65984206 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | What can I personaly do to reduce global warming? |
| 65984220 | 65984206 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_factual_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65984206 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive factual no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | What can I personaly do to reduce global warming? Place ice packs outside and keep refreezing once thawed. |
| 65984424 | 65983904 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_normative_no_citation | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983904,65983464 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive normative no citation. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | This is why it's important to own your home. $20,000 is a lot less when you're not paying rent. Rent is out-of-control, as I'm sure you've noticed. 20k is just 10 months at $2000/month and just over a year at $1,500/month. For those who aren't renting, these are not luxury apartment prices anymore. $1500 is at the low end right now. Yes, I know that buying is harder than ever, but it is still possible if you temper expectations and buy something ... well... less than ideal to start. That $20k is enough to buy land, sometimes considerable land, all over the country. You don't have to build your dream home right away, so consider that you can have a livable structure up for often less than $100k. A slab foundation and a pole building, for example, will give you a lot more space than your closet apartment, privacy, and let you save to buy the home you really want. Imagine saving $20k every year instead of burning it on rent. That's $100k in 5 years. $200k in 10 years. That's just savings, it can be considerably more if you make sensible investments. Renting is a scam. |
| 65984436 | 65983824 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_value_claim | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983824,65983758 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive value claim. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Not everyone is a liar nor are they so self-loathing that they need to lie to themselves. You lie to yourself, and everyone else, because you're a disgrace. You lie to yourself because you can't face reality. You lie to yourself because you can't accept the fact that your failures are your own and not the fault of others or unavoidable circumstances. You lie to yourself because you're not nearly as smart as you thought you were and just can't stand it. |
| 65984756 | 65983824 | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983824,65983758 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | No need to lie to myself, I am the best looking man on the planet - FACT! |
| 65985362 | | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 10 | mixed_constructive | mixed_constructive_brief_assertion | 0.55 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65985362 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 10/100 (mixed constructive; conf 0.55). Subtype: mixed constructive brief assertion. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: not explicit. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Been freezing our nutz off over here in Ireland for at least the past 20 - 25 years. |
| 65983868 | 65983752 | 5 | Informative | Constructive | Constructive | | | 5 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.6 | good_faith | policy_realist | 7 | 2 | no | False Dichotomy, Straw Man | 3 | 65983752,65983658,65983130 | Comment shows policy realist posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy, Straw Man. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 5/100 (good faith; conf 0.6). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | We are 10 years past Al Gores, "Point of no return". So, are you saying that you think that there is no longer any action we can take that would avoid a complete disaster? Every kilogram of CO2 makes it worse. But the opportunity to keep the earth below 1.5 degrees of warming, passed about the time Gore was speaking of. 8 degrees of warming is worse than 7.5 degrees of warming. Ice sheets are growing. It blows me away that you can post in a thread with multiple links to how much the ice sheets are shedding mass, and claim that the Ice sheets are growing. [B]etween 2002 and 2025, Antarctica shed approximately 135 gigatons of ice per year [nasa.gov]. [B]etween 2002 and 2025, Greenland shed approximately 264 gigatons of ice per year [nasa.gov]. As for Nor, you named him but typed nothing. Nor Pachuri, as in neither Pachuri. As in "you haven't provided evidence that he was wrong either". Because probably he was the head of the UN climate panel, supposedly an EXPERT, and he stated that the point of no return was 4 years earlier than Gore. That's not from his work. His background is engineering and economics. The IPCC is half a dozen people. The EXPERTS are the thousands of scientists who volunteer their time to the working groups. But he's wasn't wrong either. X year passes, same statements made, only change is now it is Y year! Can you please link me to a couple or few instances of where the same statements have been published by a scientific body, but the year backdated? Because a lot of the other stuff you've said here has been opposite to the facts, so I worry that you're mistaken about this too. Look at what they implement if you want to know why they yell. Massive, dirty lithium mines, and other heavy metal mining operations stripping the earth for electric car batteries. Oh, good to see you're concerned about the environment. Is it only the impact of lithium mines that concerns you, and those heavy metals that are used for batteries? Because Humanity uses many resources for many things. A single 3 Megawatt (MW) wind turbine requires 335 tons of steel, 4.7 tons of copper, 3 tons of aluminum, 2 tons of rare earths and 1,200 tons of concrete. Infrastructure takes resources. Roads. Coal Plants. Bridges. Wind Turbines. Wind turbines produce the cheapest electricity there is with no fuel costs, no fuel logistics, and without greenhouse emissions during operation. You're welcome to be a luddite, but if you're concerned about concrete, shouldn't you start complaining about roads? They cost more in energy, created mostly by fossil fuels to create than they will ever offset. Nope. The embodied energy in a wind turbine, that is, the energy used in its manufacture, transport, erection and operation is generally paid back within 6-12 months of operation. [todayshomeowner.com] Those massive composite blades last 20 -25 years and to this date they have no idea how to recycle any of the blade. Carbon fibre and fibreglass aren't easy to recycle, but: 1) Not impossible: Carbon Rivers Makes Wind Turbine Blade Recycling and Upcycling a Reality With Support From DOE [energy.gov] 2) Represent nearly no part of the mass of the turbine 90% or so of which can be recycled We are regulating heavily, subsidizing and diverting energy to, "Green Technologies" that kill the environment. No mate. That's fossil fuels |
| 65983922 | 65983868 | 1 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 5 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.6 | good_faith | policy_realist | 7 | 2 | no | False Dichotomy, Straw Man | 2 | 65983868,65983752 | Comment shows policy realist posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy, Straw Man. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 5/100 (good faith; conf 0.6). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Ok. You win. They were right. No use doing anything. All the coastlines world wide will be underwater soon. We are already a decade past doing anything about that. The sea ice will all melt. And all will be destroyed. Because it doesn't matter anymore according to all your sources who have stated many times the moving, "It will be too late line". That is if they had ever tried. Every single move toward higher energy costs and lower emissions has come from the west. India, China and most of Africa are pouring pollution into the planet at rates rising faster than the west could ever hope to offset even if we were willing to destroy the economies of the west. So, tell me. What should the West do to stop this calamity? Seriously. Given that China, Africa and India are not required to do anything, what should we in the West do in coordination with the UN to stop what they say is coming, and how do we electrify the world without digging it all up? |
| 65985504 | 65983572 | 1 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 5 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.6 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 2 | no | appeal to fear, hasty generalization | 3 | 65983572,65983296,65983130 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear, hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 5/100 (good faith; conf 0.6). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 2 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | It seems that apocalyptic thinking is endemic to the human condition. I've always seen the christian apocalyptic perspective as mostly metaphorical, which generally puts limits on how deranged you can get with it. Yes, there are those sects from time to time that insist that on March 3rd, 2:00pm, this year, the world will end, but as far as I know, the dominant christian dogma on that is "soon". The climate apocalyptic perspective has always seemed unpersuasive to me, because even if you managed to thanos snap all of western civilization out of existence, China and India aren't going to behave differently, unless forced by threat or application of violence. There has always been zero chance of effective coordinated global action on this. Let's stipulate to a hellish, hothouse earth if china and india don't decarbonize. Assume every apocalyptic model is 100% true, and the tipping points are days away. There is nothing that can be done. No virtue signaling will change ground reality. No amount of personal effort will move the needle. No amount of national effort will move the needle. The only thing left to do is get right with your deity of choice, and blame as many other people as you can to take the focus off of yourself. And if we're lucky, maybe, just maybe, it'll all turn out that the apocalypse is delayed but one more day at a time. |
| 65983358 | 65983220 | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 5 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.6 | good_faith | identity_protective_denier | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983220 | Comment shows identity protective denier posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 5/100 (good faith; conf 0.6). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | It's depressing to me just how many so-called "nerds" around here are little more than shelled out muppets repeating the party line. No critical thought, no skepticism, just 100 party line. Often delivered in an unhinged diatribe as one might attack a heretic of a cult. Your analysis is absolutely correct. I doubt it'll make much of a difference around here. |
| 65983128 | 65983102 | 5 | Informative | Monitor | Monitor | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983102 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I'd rather have Musk just move away. "Scientists thought they understood global warming. Then the past three years happened." https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com] Yes, we are fucked in the ass. The worst case scenarios are likely if not optimistic. |
| 65983184 | 65983158 | 5 | Informative | Monitor | Monitor | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | unclear | confused_reachable | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983158,65983130 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | No they didn't. Sea ice area may be somewhat increased. But overall volume has gone done dramatically - https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/3115... [nasa.gov] |
| 65983210 | 65983130 | 5 | Interesting | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | 2012 was the record minimum for Artic sea ice. So someone's model seemed to be onto something. Now the journalist that wrote the science piece dumbed down so that you could understand it likely did a poor job of explaining it. But there are so many models and theories that offer up different specifics but similar generalities that it can be frustrating for laypeople to make sense of it all. |
| 65983578 | 65983130 | 5 | Informative | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So, the ice caps will again disappear like they were supposed to in 2012? That was one prediction by Dr Wieslaw Maslowski of the Naval Postgraduate School in California. And not for either ice cap. Nor for 2012. It was for the northern summer sea ice, and was based on the 28% drop in minimum extent between summer 2006 and summer 2007 being a tipping point rather than, as it turned out, a bad year. And the prediction was "inside five to seven years" which was about 2013-2014 not 2012. And while the denialiosphere will use one paper and claim that it discredits the entire fields of thermodynamics, optics and earth science, it doesn't. But even then they don't usually claim that it was a prediction of total ice loss of Greenland (Which would raise sea levels about 7 metres), much less Antarctica (Which would raise sea levels a further 58 metres). Congratulations. You've managed to hit a whole new level of wrong. When are people going to stop falling for this Oh, the irony. They have been CATASTROPHICALLY wrong every single time. Wrong again. The models have been improving, but even Hansen's 1981 model is pretty close, if a little conservate. Since the late 80s, they've been pretty much bang on the nose. [realclimate.org] |
| 65983598 | 65983564 | 5 | Insightful | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983564,65983188,65983118 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | You would think so, and if you ask them they'll certainly claim they do, but this claim is not supported by the voting data. |
| 65983658 | 65983572 | 5 | Informative | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | policy_realist | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983572,65983296,65983130 | Comment shows policy realist posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Name one climate prediction over the last 40 years that came close to truth. Here's an analysis of how the major models have preformed [realclimate.org], with respect to global mean surface temperature predictions. The one from the early 80s was a bit conservative, but they've all been pretty close since then. Perhaps you can link to a few of these papers you think got it wrong? In 2006, former vice-president Al Gore projected that unless drastic measures were implemented, the planet would hit an irreversible “point of no return” by 2016. Game over. We've past 350 ppm of CO2, which is the level that will come with the high-cost high casualty impacts of greater than 1.5C of warming. Currently we're at 427 ppm. So Gore hasn't been shown to be wrong. Perhaps the problems is that you don't understand that it takes decades for half the warming from an increase in CO2 to have occurred. Ice-albedo feedback in particular takes centuries. Nor Pachuri. James Hansen, drew a line in the sand testifying before Congress in June 2008, on the dangers of greenhouse gases: “We’re toast if we don’t get on a very different path. This is the last chance.” Do you have any evidence that he was wrong? Or are you hoping, without basing that hope on any facts that you can point to? |
| 65983668 | 65983442 | 4 | Insightful | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983442,65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Eh. They're right. You will find that evidence yourself if you go look. That isn't a point for or against climate denial. It's simply a fact that mankind evolved during an ice age, one that has been going on for several million years, and is still going on today. It's not clear that mankind would be able to survive a hothouse Earth state. But they're right- one is coming no matter what, probably sometime in the next few million years. Which has precisely fucking nothing to do with our problems today. |
| 65983882 | 65983190 | 3 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983190,65983160 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | The climate doomsayers have been more than wrong every time. You keep making that claim. And I keep linking you to analysis of how accurate the climate models have been. Do you mind me asking where you got the idea that they've been wrong from? Because it's not from the science. It's from the poltics, and it's been factchecked as false. [politifact.com] Why push the third world deeper into poverty because of what people that have never been close to right predict? You've got that arse-backwards too. The third world suffers from the impacts of climate change, because to deal with it requires pretty much the same goals as development goals. Education (Of how to adapt agricultural practises and infrastructure). Infrastructure reconstruction. |
| 65984010 | 65983928 | 3 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983928,65983882,65983160 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I am sure that India and Africa will forgo cheap energy (Which is what has pulled all first world countries out of poverty) and stay poor because of the environment. Is there any evidence that you base this confidence on? Are you as sure as you were that "The climate doomsayers have been more than wrong every time"? And have you managed to follow any of the links that show that that is wrong? |
| 65983256 | 65983130 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | unclear | empirical_skeptic | 6 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983130 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with mixed unclear rubric score (6/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Do you have a citation for that prediction? |
| 65983442 | 65983200 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | >> The usual state for the Earth is tropical all over, with no ice at the poles. Show evidence. |
| 65983730 | 65983608 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983608,65983164,65983130 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Even to this very day, in spite of decades of evidence that we've been underestimating the risk, they continue to act like the low end of predictions are what is going to happen, because the high end is too fucked to fathom. |
| 65983752 | 65983658 | 2 | Interesting | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | policy_realist | 7 | 1 | no | Straw Man | 3 | 65983658,65983572,65983130 | Comment shows policy realist posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: Straw Man. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | We are 10 years past Al Gores, "Point of no return". So, are you saying that you think that there is no longer any action we can take that would avoid a complete disaster? Or, are you advocating still for change thinking that while still dire, 10 - 15 years later action is fine? We are almost 20 years after the 2008 James Hansen call. Ice sheets are growing. We really do not have a smidgen of understanding how green house gasses work. As for Nor, you named him but typed nothing. Because probably he was the head of the UN climate panel, supposedly an EXPERT, and he stated that the point of no return was 4 years earlier than Gore. If we don't get massive amounts of control by year X, then HORRIBLE NO GOING BACK, NO HOPE THING! X year passes, same statements made, only change is now it is Y year! Look at what they implement if you want to know why they yell. Massive, dirty lithium mines, and other heavy metal mining operations stripping the earth for electric car batteries. A single 3 Megawatt (MW) wind turbine requires 335 tons of steel, 4.7 tons of copper, 3 tons of aluminum, 2 tons of rare earths and 1,200 tons of concrete. They cost more in energy, created mostly by fossil fuels to create than they will ever offset. Those massive composite blades last 20 -25 years and to this date they have no idea how to recycle any of the blade. They, "Hope" to in the future. We are regulating heavily, subsidizing and diverting energy to, "Green Technologies" that kill the environment. While hamstringing and blocking clean, proven, cheap nuclear power. You think this is data driven science? Grow up. This is about control of people and diverting wealth. |
| 65983776 | 65983668 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65983668,65983442,65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | >> Eh. They're right. You will find that evidence yourself if you go look. According to wikipedia; "Throughout Earth's climate history (Paleoclimate) its climate has fluctuated between two primary states: greenhouse and icehouse Earth. Both climate states last for millions of years " So, not usually "tropical all over, with no ice at the poles". |
| 65984040 | 65983826 | 2 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | unclear | policy_realist | 5 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983826,65983554 | Comment shows policy realist posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | https://www.consumerreports.or... [consumerreports.org] Quite a few Chinese-made cars came before Biden and Trump blocked them. |
| 65984638 | 65984180 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984180,65983560 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | If that were true I'd have a Tesla right now but instead I own a civic. Now they are discontinuing their actually cool X and S models and only have the Y and the 3 and the cyber truck. Where are other form factors? Where's the hatchback? Where's the real usable daily driver truck? How about a van? At this point Tesla is dead running on fumes. |
| 65984752 | 65983592 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65983592,65983158,65983130 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I think you might have just made that up yourself. I think it's very unlikely that the OP made that up. That particular misrepresentation of the data has been posted EVERYWHERE on the internet for months via many thousands of accounts. I think it's far more likely that the OP simply saw it on a feed from someone they thought could trust for factual information and repeated it. Sadly they were mislead. |
| 65985202 | 65984956 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 3 | 65984956,65984754,65983200 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | No, that sharp and massive increase in the 18th century, um what. https://upload.wikimedia.org/w... [wikimedia.org] |
| 65986072 | 65986018 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | False Dichotomy | 2 | 65986018,65986006 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: False Dichotomy. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Left-leaning policies that contribute to these problems include textbook standards, which currently require textbook publishers to focus on the mechanics of sex and stay away from discussions of personal responsibility. The content of these classes doesn't just happen, the course materials are mandated to include certain content, and to exclude other content. Schools do not frequently teach subjects related to life skills like home management, basic repairs, job hunting, basic car maintenance, financial literacy, and budgeting. It's no wonder liberals and conservatives think government is a magical source of unlimited money, students aren't taught about things like where money comes from, and people have no idea how to change a tire. |
| 65986278 | 65985782 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65985782,65985724 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Still not defining what you think of as a "traditional family unit". What Biology says, Nope, biology don't say shit. It's not moral or moralizing. It's not judgemental or permissive, it is not a thinking thing. It says nothing. What civilization says, is that people are responsible for the results of their actions. No it doesn't. It picks some particular subset and gets all judgemental about those. Where's the responsibility for the fossil fuel executives (to rag it vaguely back on topic). Civilization is INCREDIBLY selective about responsibility. And back to your point, no I don't think the right cares about the traditional family unit, not when you look at what the right does not what the right says. If it's true, the right would not do things that result in high high teen pregnancy rates. And yet if you look at the somewhat right wing US compared to various European countries, NZ and so on which generally swing more to the left... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] For a political wing which says they value the traditional family unit, they sure aren't doing a lot about actually valuing it. |
| 65986434 | 65986072 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65986072,65986018 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Left-leaning policies that contribute to these problems include textbook standards, which currently require textbook publishers to focus on the mechanics of sex and stay away from discussions of personal responsibility. While I agree that left leaning state governments push for a different type of sex education, you actually have to have evidence that it's causing this type of harm, and that it's better than the alternatives. The right often give simple, plausible arguments that supports their narrative not because they are correct but because it achieves another objective which is often just to motivate their base. One actually has to do studies/science to see if it actually true. |
| 65986842 | 65986794 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | ad nauseam | 2 | 65986794,65986738 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: ad nauseam. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Clearly, you choose not to read I read and I read inconsistencies. When you finally settled on an answer I was able to point why it was wrong, something it appears you decided to ignore. The underlying principle is that people are responsible for their own actions. This principle is not seriously debated. All civilized, non-corrupt legal systems are built on this principle. Your opinion is not a fact no matter how strongly you state it. The "personal responsibility" mantra is most common in the Anglosphere and in particular America. Outside of there there's a more reasoned approach whereby people recognise that both personal responsibility and systemic factors have an effect. The refusal to have anything other than a blinkered view of such things is why Americas teen pregnancy rate and road death rate is so high compared to all of its peers. So again, are you blaming kids for not being responsible when you refuse to teach them how to be? You are incorrect about hunter-gatherers. These tribes divided responsibilities for the children: the mothers took care of the most of the daily care, cleaning, and teaching, because the fathers were away hunting. The fathers were responsible for feeding their children and providing shelter. No you are incorrect. https://www.acamh.org/blog/hun... [acamh.org] In many hunter-gatherer societies, alloparents provide almost half of a childâ(TM)s care. A previous study found that in the DRC, Efe infants have 14 alloparents a day by the time they are 18 weeks old, and are passed between caregivers eight times an hour. And also... https://journals.plos.org/plos... [plos.org] Yes, both sides are equally *hypocritical* (I didn't say bad, you did). No they are not. I can't stand hypocrisy, but it's clear to anyone with an ounce of observation that one side is bad, the other is completely off the reservation right now. |
| 65986898 | 65984638 | 2 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65984638,65984180 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Model Y is still the best-selling individual EV in the world, by a large margin, so I don't know about running on fumes. BYD has passed them in total sales- but Tesla is still successful as fuck. I do agree that they better start innovating if they want to stay that way, though. |
| 65983292 | | 1 | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983292 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | meanwhile iceland is unawares = https://news.slashdot.org/stor... [slashdot.org] |
| 65983456 | 65983192 | 1 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | confused_reachable | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983192 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Climate does change naturally... but not by this much within the space of 200 years! Insert obligatory xkcd image to explain to the deniers: https://xkcd.com/1732/ [xkcd.com] |
| 65983608 | 65983164 | 1 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 2 | 65983164,65983130 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | And hopefully they will continue to be wrong, because if eventually they aren't wrong we are fucked in a way that is 100% fatal for everyone. Quite the opposite. Models have been underestimating the warming since the 1990s [substackcdn.com]. We wish they were right. . The graph is from here [skepticalscience.com]. |
| 65983926 | 65983128 | 1 | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 2 | 65983128,65983102 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I recall in the very early days of the Covid pandemic, months before lockdowns hit the US, a post I read on Slashdot. It was looking at the evidence coming out of China and some other early spots, all pointing to the inevitability of the disease ripping through the rest of the world. It concluded with something like, "We're fucked." In 50 years I think I'll be remembering this post the same way. |
| 65983212 | | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 1 | 65983212 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Well, this wss predictsble. The Globsl Warmi g Boogryman has become a laughingstock, nobody attends the COP conferences, EV sales have tanked, the ice caps are growing, and deaths from extreme weather are way down. Quickly, Robin, pour more snake oil into the climate models and lets crank out some really ludicrously extreme predictions. THAT is sure to scare yhecrubes into sprnding trillions on windmills again. Sorry scammers, but after THIRTY SEVEN YEARS of telling us the global warming boogeyman will kill us all in TEN YEARS, your credibility is shot to h3ll. It doesn't help that your most ardent prophets ate buying beachfront property and flyingvto the superbowl in thousands of private jets. If global warming was real, then on day one we would have started building nuclear plants and using their power to generate Ammonia to burn in vehicles. It is hydrogen power without the storage problems, is already made in industrial quantities, and requires no new infrastructure other than new nozzles on pumos and new valves on gas tanks. But this has never been about solving a problem. It is about using the global warming boogeyman to scare the rubes into accepting centralized totalitarian socialist control over their lives ( and scamming trillions of dollars for pointless investments). Here's some free advice. The global warming noogeyman is dead. Exaggerating more won't revive him. Try a new dcam. Tell people that the crab nebula has come to life and is moving towards earth. Itvis attracted to CO2 andvifcwe don't eliminate greenhouse gasses itvwill eat the earth. Hey, it's more credible than global warming at this point. |
| 65983220 | | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65983220 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | Is it warming? Probably (hard to tell with all the 'smoothing' and 'adjusting' of data going on, but I'd agree it probably is.) Is it driven by humans? Utterly not, though almost certainly we're aggravating it. Is it faster than ever, historically speaking? Utterly not. That said, this sort of nonsense catastrophism is welcome; it shows to everyone how hilariously unhinged the doomsayers have become. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] = 90% of the last 500m years has been warmer than today. For the last 5m years we've routinely had warm spikes followed by a decline to Phanerozoic 'norm' - if anything, this proves climate is NOT chaotically sensitive outside of some magic average (which just happens to be the 20th century, weird!) but in fact astonishingly robust. If you STILL insist that somehow the climate is going to spin into some Venusian disaster, please explain how whatever feedback mechanisms that have 30x-50x canceled the warmth surges have now somehow broken down and won't work this time? Looking forward to the responses. There are a lot of people on slashdot who seem to have a lot of psychoses invested in global warming being irrefutable. |
| 65983554 | 65983464 | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | appeal to fear | 3 | 65983464,65983314,65983102 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: appeal to fear. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | So, you would rather drive a Chinese EV than a Tesla? I do not know where you are from, but I still think you have some wrong priorities. Yes. 100%. Currently driving a Chinese EV in the USA. No longer have a Model Y. Chinese EV is superior. |
| 65984822 | 65984010 | | | Constructive | Constructive | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | good_faith | empirical_skeptic | 7 | 1 | no | hasty generalization | 3 | 65984010,65983928,65983160 | Comment shows empirical skeptic posture with good faith actor rubric score (7/8). Detected pattern: hasty generalization. Recommended handling: collaborative mode; steelman first, then evidence exchange. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: 1 detected fallacy pattern(s). Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | I am sure that India and Africa will forgo cheap energy (Which is what has pulled all first world countries out of poverty) and stay poor because of the environment. Is there any evidence that you base this confidence on? Logic? |
| 65987124 | | | | Monitor | Monitor | | | 0 | good_faith | good_faith_evidence_attached | 0.65 | unclear | confused_reachable | 5 | 0 | no | - | 1 | 65987124 | Comment shows confused reachable posture with mixed unclear rubric score (5/8). Detected pattern: no clear formal fallacy indicators. Recommended handling: diagnostic mode; apply one consistency test before escalation. | | Manual score 0/100 (good faith; conf 0.65). Subtype: good faith evidence attached. Primary signals: limited adversarial indicators. Evidence: present. Recommended mode: diagnostic/collaborative. | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sc... [dailymail.co.uk] " Scientists are baffled to discover 3,100 glaciers SURGING – as they warn it could be even more 'troublesome' than glacial retreat While many of the world's glaciers are in rapid retreat, scientists have been baffled to find 3,100 that are 'surging'. While this might sound like a good thing, the experts warn that it could be even more 'troublesome' than glacial retreat. During a surge, a glacier sends large amounts of ice built up over decades racing downhill, where it rapidly melts in the warm lower-altitude weather." |